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Ender
10-22-2010, 03:53 PM
This is what I am thinking for an upcoming 2k tournament... thoughts?

190 Forgefather Vulkan He'Stan

115 Dreadnought with Multi-Melta & Heavy Flamer
115 Dreadnought with Multi-Melta & Heavy Flamer
200 (5) TH/SS Assault Terminators
265 Land Raider Redeemer with MM and Extra Armor

215 Tactical Squad with CM, MM, Flamer, & Rhino
215 Tactical Squad with CM, MM, Flamer, & Rhino
90 Scouts with Sniper Rifles and Camo Cloaks

70 Land Speeder with Multi-Melta & Heavy Flamer
70 Land Speeder with Multi-Melta & Heavy Flamer
70 Land Speeder with Multi-Melta & Heavy Flamer

125 Vindicator
260 Land Raider with Multi-Melta

2000

JxKxR
10-22-2010, 04:05 PM
What's with the extra land raider?

Splug
10-22-2010, 04:25 PM
What's with the extra land raider?Safest. Scouts. Ever.

You probably should consider replacing the empty land raider. That 260 points can go a long way in upgrades for the rest of the army. If you're looking at a competitive list, I'd strongly consider adding a 100-point librarian as well, just to sit in the land raider and wear his psychic hood while occasionally casting Null Zone to make all those AP1 meltas particularly lethal. Extra armor on the dreadnoughts would be a huge asset as well - or just upgrade them to ironclads.

If you still have points to burn, heavy bolter / autocannon predators are an excellent way to get some much-needed long-range anti-infantry firepower while retaining your wall of AV 13. Making those changes, here's what you'd be looking at:

190 Forgefather Vulkan He'Stan
100 Librarian - Null Zone, Avenger

145 Ironclad Dreadnought with Melta & Heavy Flamer
145 Ironclad Dreadnought with Melta & Heavy Flamer
200 (5) TH/SS Assault Terminators
265 Land Raider Redeemer with MM and Extra Armor

215 Tactical Squad with CM, MM, Flamer, & Rhino
215 Tactical Squad with CM, MM, Flamer, & Rhino
90 Scouts with Sniper Rifles and Camo Cloaks

70 Land Speeder with Multi-Melta & Heavy Flamer
70 Land Speeder with Multi-Melta & Heavy Flamer
70 Land Speeder with Multi-Melta & Heavy Flamer

125 Vindicator
85 Predator with Autocannon & 2x Heavy Bolter

1975

The last 25 points can go a few ways. Either you can drain 5 points from somewhere and replace the predator with a second vindicator, or you can hand a tactical squad sergeant a power fist, or make some smaller upgrades elsewhere. Deployed, the army would have the two rhinos fully blocked by the land raider (parked sideways), while ideally the land speeders are fully hidden behind terrain. If you need to combat squad off a tactical squad to hold an objective, park some of the vehicles in front of them to LoS block them. The net result is your opponent is sitting there trying to glance down AV 13 / 14 vehicles with their long range fire - ML long fang spam is pretty well crippled, especially if you have enough terrain to get cover on some of those vehicles too. If anything so much as sneezes at the scouts, they go to ground and roll 2+ cover while cackling maniacally. Next turn move 12", hold formation, and pop smoke - boost the speeders behind your LR wall for LoS denial. This puts you in a great position to make a synchronized round of shooting with everything on turn 3, and keeps you well-defended the whole advance.