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SlavesToDarkness
10-07-2009, 06:53 PM
Hello All -

I am trying to build a IG list from the bizarre collection I have. I will be using it in a campaign vs. basically all-comers and will be modifying it as little as possible to learn to play it better. What is listed below is my basic outline and represents largely the limitations of my collection. What I need help with is the last 223pts left over!

HQ - Lord Gethion (Command Squad w/3 x Plasma Gun, Officer w/ Power Fist and Bolt Pistol) - 167pts
Chimera w/ 2 x Heavy Bolter

Troops - Goblin Platoon - 160pts
Platoon Command Squad w/ Autocannon
Squad 1 w/ Autocannon
Squad 2 w/ Autocannon

Troops - State Militia Platoon - 300pts
Platoon Command Squad w/ Lascannon, Officer w/ Plasma Pistol
Squad 1 w/ Lascannon, Grenade Launcher
Squad 2 w/ Flamer
Squad 3 w/ Flamer
Squad 4 w/ Flamer

Troops - The Hangmen (Veterans w/ 3 x Meltagun, Demolitions) - 185pts
Chimera w/ Multilaser, hull Heavy Flamer

Troops - Silver Knights (Veterans w/ 3 x Meltagun, Demolitions, Carapace Armor) - 215pts
Chimera w/ Multilaster, hull Heavy Flamer

Fast Attack - "The Orb" (Banewolf w/ hull Heavy Bolter) - 130pts
Fast Attack - "Bloodhound" (Hell-hound w/ hull Heavy Flamer) - 130pts

Heavy Support - "Pirate Ships" (2 x Griffons w/ hull Heavy Bolters) - 150pts
Heavy Support - "The Leveler" (Medusa w/ hull Heavy Bolter) - 135pts
Heavy Support - "Nova Black" (Leman Russ Executioner w/ hull Lascannon) - 205pts

I have 223 pts left. I am considering the following:

Devil Dog / 2nd Hell Hound / Rough Riders

With some rearranging I could fit another Executioner.

Does anyone have any advice?

(And, yes, almost all the non-tank models are fantasy models and the goblin platoon is actual goblins!)

Chumbalaya
10-07-2009, 09:20 PM
Very weird, I love it :P

Some things to consider:
-Combat weapon on officers are generally a waste, he loses combat anyway. If you're on foot, go camo cloaks, otherwise mount up.
-Lascannons go in your infantry squads, add voxes and get ordered. Swap flamers for meltas and add a Commissar, blob up for a nice tarpit.
-Carapace is overpriced, don't bother.
-Every tank should have a hull HF, MM is a good option for Hellhounds
-Executioner must have plasma sponsons

For your last couple of points, 2 Vendettas would fit nicely. Squadron your BW/HH (you pick which dies first based on your opponent) and throw the PCS and a SWS inside for cheap scoring skimmers of blasty doom.

SlavesToDarkness
10-07-2009, 10:50 PM
Great points. Glad you like how bizarre it is!

- My leader model has the Power Fist, I cannot remove it.
- I will definitely fit in a Commissar and "mob up!" Great idea!
- If I include the 2nd Veteran Squad, they have to have carapace armor because they have plate mail!
- I agree on the Executioner. I do have an Executioner with Plasma Sponsons and a lascannon (scary expensive at 245pts!). But don't you think it would be better to squeeze in a 2nd Executioner? Or is there another good tank to tag-team it with?

Unfortunately, here is my issue: I cannot get any Valkyries of Vendettas! At this point, the price is prohibitive.

Here's a little better run-down of what I have left:

2 Executioners, 1 Exterminator, 1 Demolisher, 1 Vanquisher, 6 standard Leman Russes.
1 Devil Dog, 2 Hell Hounds, 10 Rough Riders, 6 Ogryns
4 Chimeras
2 Armored Sentinels w/Lascannons

I have some Inquisitorial stuff and assorted IG guys with various guns.

Thanks for your help!

Confuddled
10-07-2009, 11:25 PM
Eh. I’d actually vote for a Demolisher with plasma sponsons (and the hull-mounted lascannon unless you’re willing to do a gun swap) – that should come to 220 exactly.


Trouble with the Executioner – its uncompromisingly armed for hammering power-armoured troops.

With a Demolisher, you lose 6” of range and 2 plasma cannon templates, but there’s something immensely comforting about having more S10 ordnance in play! :D

Especially comforting since its direct-fire S10 ordnance – probably your best bet for stopping AV14 tanks driving straight at you.


The other (slightly more pain-free) alternative would be to pack in another 4 Chimeras (hull-mounted flamers, multi-laser turrets) – its always nice having an extra 4 AV12 hulls to drive around.

mercer
10-08-2009, 04:42 AM
I would drop the fist on the CCS as they will fall in combat. Multi laser is more effective on a chimera too.

PCS has a lascanon and a plasma pistol? Drop one or the other as the ranges for each weapon are totally different. Odds are you won't use that plasma pistol.

Lascannon and a grenade launcher? Again you've got a heavy and a assault weapon, you don't want to mix these as you can either shoot and be out of range of the assault weapon, or move but not fire the heavy. Either way one is being wasted.

I would throw in a devil dog as you lack ranged anti tank.

SlavesToDarkness
10-08-2009, 11:33 AM
Here is another try at the list (tell me what you think!):

HQ - Lord Gethion (Command Squad w/3 x Plasma Gun, Officer w/ Power Fist and Bolt Pistol) - 167pts
Chimera w/ Heavy Bolter, hull Heavy Flamer (cannot remove the Heavy Bolter on this one!)

Troops - Goblin Platoon - 160pts
Platoon Command Squad w/ Autocannon
Squad 1 w/ Autocannon
Squad 2 w/ Autocannon

Troops - State Militia Platoon - 400pts
Platoon Command Squad w/ Plasma Pistol
Squad 1 w/ Lascannon, Grenade Launcher
Squad 2 w/ Lascannon, Grenade Launcher
Squad 3 w/ Flamer, Commissar w/ Power Weapon
Squad 4 w/ Flamer
Squad 5 w/ Flamer

Troops - The Hangmen (Veterans w/ 3 x Meltagun, Demolitions) - 185pts
Chimera w/ Multilaser, hull Heavy Flamer

Troops - Silver Knights (Veterans w/ 3 x Meltagun, Demolitions, Carapace Armor) - 215pts
Chimera w/ Multilaster, hull Heavy Flamer

Fast Attack - "Bad Breath" (Devil Dog w/ hull Multimelta, Smoke Launchers) - 140pts
Fast Attack - "Bloodhound" (Hell-hound w/ hull Heavy Flamer) - 130pts
Fast Attack - "Thunderhooves" (9 x Rough Riders, Sgt. w/ Power Weapon) - 105pts

Heavy Support - "Pirate Ships" (2 x Griffons w/ hull Heavy Bolters) - 150pts
Heavy Support - "The Leveler" (Medusa w/ hull Heavy Bolter) - 135pts
Heavy Support - "Nova Black" (Leman Russ Executioner w/ hull Lascannon) - 205pts

TOTAL: 1992pts

OR a more armor heavy alternative?

HQ - Lord Gethion (Command Squad w/3 x Plasma Gun, Officer w/ Power Fist and Bolt Pistol) - 167pts
Chimera w/ Heavy Bolter, hull Heavy Flamer (cannot remove the Heavy Bolter on this one!)

Troops - Goblin Platoon - 160pts
Platoon Command Squad w/ Autocannon
Squad 1 w/ Autocannon
Squad 2 w/ Autocannon

Troops - State Militia Platoon - 400pts
Platoon Command Squad w/ Plasma Pistol
Squad 1 w/ Lascannon, Grenade Launcher
Squad 2 w/ Lascannon, Grenade Launcher
Squad 3 w/ Flamer, Commissar w/ Power Weapon
Squad 4 w/ Flamer
Squad 5 w/ Flamer

Troops - The Hangmen (Veterans w/ 3 x Meltagun, Demolitions) - 185pts
Chimera w/ Multilaser, hull Heavy Flamer

Fast Attack - "Bad Breath" (Devil Dog w/ hull Heavy Flamer, Smoke Launchers) - 125pts
Fast Attack - "Bloodhound" (Hell-hound w/ hull Heavy Flamer) - 130pts
Fast Attack - "The Orb" (Banewolf w/ hull Heavy Flamer) - 130pts

Heavy Support - "Pirate Ships" (2 x Griffons w/ hull Heavy Bolters) - 150pts
Heavy Support - "The Leveler" (Medusa w/ hull Heavy Bolter) - 135pts
Heavy Support - Dark Sun Corp. - 410pts
"Nova Black" (Leman Russ Executioner w/ hull Lascannon)
"Inca 116" (Leman Russ Executioner w/ hull Lascannon)

TOTAL: 1992pts

Any thoughts?

mercer
10-09-2009, 04:24 AM
Still loving that power fist on the CCS eh?

Still using assault and a mix of heavy weapons on the second platoon.

205 points on one tank? I'd drop the lascannon and keep it all anti infantry and light vehicles with the main weapon, perhaps add plasma cannon sponsons.

Chumbalaya
10-09-2009, 08:39 AM
I prefer the first one.

I'd give your CCS melta if possible and a vox to buff the mob of infantry.

The mob of infantry could use a vox, swap flamers for meltas, and add melta bombs + power weapons if possible. A Priest is another possibility.

Don't worry about the carapace, you can even mix models between both units so you won't have to worry about it.

Swap the DD and HH hull weapons, some flexibility never hurts, eh?

Rough Riders are garbage, don't bother. Add another Hellhound (or make them both Bane Wolves).

Every vehicle that can should have a hull heavy flamer, go for plasma sponsons on your Exec (I'd consider it a must).

SlavesToDarkness
10-09-2009, 11:24 AM
Hello All -

Thanks for your great advice. I realize that I am tought to work with - I want a list both fun to play and fits what I have, but I'm still trying to maximize its competetiveness. I just have a few questions / comments.

Mercer:

- Unfortunately, the model for my CCS is a detailed conversion and I am not willing to cut him up and remove the powerfist.

- As far as the Lascannon / Grenade Launcher combo goes: Although I have limited experience, I found that Lascannon + krak grenade = dead light vehicle. The grenade launcher's 24" range makes it the longest ranged assault weapon. That was my reasoning anyway, if you still think I'm wrong I'll seriously consider removing them. Maybe move them to the Platoon Command squad?

- As far as the Platoon command squad goes: again, I cannot cut off the plasma pistol from the officer there - he's in, it's in!

Chumbalaya:

- I got my hands on a 2nd Medusa (HU-RAH!). Here is a re-drafted list:

HQ - Lord Gethion (Command Squad w/3 x Plasma Gun, Officer w/ Power Fist and Bolt Pistol) - 167pts
Chimera w/ Heavy Bolter, hull Heavy Flamer (cannot remove the Heavy Bolter on this one!)

Troops - Goblin Platoon - 160pts
Platoon Command Squad w/ Autocannon
Squad 1 w/ Autocannon
Squad 2 w/ Autocannon

Troops - State Militia Platoon - 440pts
Platoon Command Squad w/ Plasma Pistol, 2 x Grenade Launcher, Vox Caster
Squad 1 w/ Lascannon
Squad 2 w/ Lascannon
Squad 3 w/ Flamer, Power Weapon, Commissar w/ Power Weapon
Squad 4 w/ Flamer, Power Weapon, Vox Caster
Squad 5 w/ Flamer, Power Weapon

Fast Attack - "Bloodhound" (Hell-hound w/ hull Heavy Flamer) - 130pts
Fast Attack - "Sparky" (Hell-hound w/ hull Multimelta) - 145pts
Fast Attack - "Bad Breath" (Devil Dog w/ hull Heavy Flamer, smoke launchers) - 125pts

Heavy Support - "Pirate Ships" (2 x Griffons w/ hull Heavy Bolters) - 150pts

Heavy Support - Ordnance Battery - 270pts
"The Hammer" (Medusa w/ hull Heavy Bolter)
"The Leveler" (Medusa w/ hull Heavy Bolter)

Heavy Support - Tank Squadron - 410pts
"Nova Black" (Leman Russ Executioner w/ hull Lascannon)
"Inca 116" (Leman Russ Executioner w/ hull Lascannon)

TOTAL: 1997pts

My only concern is that this list is a little short on boots on the ground.

mercer
10-12-2009, 07:01 AM
Well lascannon is 48" and grenade launcher is 24". So you either can move and fire the grenade launcher only, or stay still and fire the lascannon. Either way you cannot fire both as you will not be in range, or have moved.

SlavesToDarkness
10-12-2009, 01:41 PM
I keep struggling with this list; thanks everyone for all your help. My deadline is drawing near so I'm going to have to finalize soon. Anyone with some last minute thoughts would be very appreciated.

HQ - Lord Gethion (Command Squad w/3 x Plasma Gun, Officer w/ Power Fist and Bolt Pistol) - 167pts
Chimera w/ Heavy Bolter, hull Heavy Flamer

Troops - Goblin Platoon - 160pts
Platoon Command Squad w/ Autocannon
Squad 1 w/ Autocannon
Squad 2 w/ Autocannon

Troops - State Militia Platoon - 410pts
Platoon Command Squad w/ Plasma Pistol, 2 x Grenade Launcher, Vox Caster
Squad 1 w/ Lascannon
Squad 2 w/ Meltagun
Squad 3 w/ Flamer, Vox Caster, Commissar w/ Power Weapon
Squad 4 w/ Flamer, Sgt. w/ Power Weapon
Squad 5 w/ Flamer

Troops - The Hangmen (Veterans w/ 3 x Meltagun, Demolitions) - 185pts
Chimera w/ Multilaser, hull Heavy Flamer

Fast Attack - "Bloodhound" (Hell-hound w/ hull Heavy Flamer) - 130pts

Fast Attack - "Pump Wagons" - 112pts
Scout Sentinel w/ Lascannon, hunter-killer missile, searchlight
Scout Sentinel w/ Lascannon, searchlight

Heavy Support - "Pirate Ships" (2 x Griffons w/ hull Heavy Bolters) - 150pts

Heavy Support - Ordnance Battery - 270pts
"The Hammer" (Medusa w/ hull Heavy Bolter)
"The Leveler" (Medusa w/ hull Heavy Bolter)

Heavy Support - Tank Squadron - 410pts
"Nova Black" (Leman Russ Executioner w/ hull Lascannon)
"Inca 116" (Leman Russ Executioner w/ hull Lascannon)

TOTAL: 1994pts

My concerns are that this might struggle taking objectives.

Should I take bastion breacher shells on one of the Medusas?

Chumbalaya
10-12-2009, 02:53 PM
Don't take bastion breachers, the extra D6 isn't worth going from a 5" blast to 3" blast.

Give both infantry squads lascannons or autocannons, swap flamers for meltas, stick with autocannons on the Sentinels, add back that unit of Vets, drop an Exec and give the other sponsons and add a Bane Wolf or Hell Hound.