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Lucidum
12-28-2009, 05:16 PM
I'm a chaos player most recently for 40K, and I really want to get started with daemons. I have the codex and all that, but the background for daemons has always kinda irked me. Daemons have always seemed like a fantasy race more, so I'm trying to figure out how to make them more appropriate to the gothic future of Warhammer 40,000. Aside from daemon weapons and the forge of souls, does anyone know of any other kind of daemonic technology? Specifically, I'm looking for some way to model my daemons to represent the futurism of 40K.

Melissia
12-28-2009, 05:35 PM
The soul grinder is the most obvious version, but yes, Daemons aren't exactly technologically advanced. They're daemons after all-- they simply don't obey the laws of technology .

Nabterayl
12-28-2009, 05:43 PM
A lot of Khornate items are technological in nature. Juggernauts and brass scorpions come to mind as good examples of daemonic technology. Recently we've seen blight drones and plague hulks as examples of Nurglish daemon engines.

It's firmly established in 40K that daemons can possess machines, and in some cases (such as the juggernaut) even be machines in their "true" forms. Consequently there's no fluff reason why you couldn't model an army of techno-daemons.

Artein
12-28-2009, 07:15 PM
Adding some cables to your miniatures might do the trick....
Or switching their weapons for chainswords....

Lucidum
12-28-2009, 08:18 PM
Adding some cables to your miniatures might do the trick....
Or switching their weapons for chainswords....

That was one thing I was definitely considering, making Chaos Hellblades power weapons by adding the little power-pack parts off of other power weapons and such. I also had the idea, for Khorne Bloodletters at least, to have each one of them decorated with the various weapons of warfare from various races (since Khorne is, for all intents and purposes, the god of war).

Nabterayl
12-29-2009, 11:59 AM
What sort of daemons are you planning to field?

Lucidum
12-29-2009, 02:23 PM
What sort of daemons are you planning to field?

A daemon prince...once the damned plastic one comes out; a unit of plaguebearers, a unit of daemonettes, and a unit of bloodletters; at least 3 bloodcrushers of khorne led by a Herald on juggernaught, a herald of slaanesh, 2-5 fiends of slaanesh, and a soulgrinder.

Artein
12-30-2009, 03:21 PM
I must to say that it'll be a very fluffy army.... :rolleyes:

Papa Nurgle
12-30-2009, 05:39 PM
I play a Nurgle army...there is a nice Nurgle Daemon Prince in the Chaos Army list on GW. Also...there are a lot of neat models available on Forgeworld and in the Apocolypse books. I built a Plague Tower out of a Baneblade. Pissed off all the IG players. :D

Blight Drones specifically, look AWESOME.

Subject Keyword
12-30-2009, 08:04 PM
They're daemons after all-- they simply don't obey the laws of technology .

Heh. Yeah. Daemons don't obey the laws of anything...
They phase in and out of reality,
They never die,
They J-walk all the time...

Lucidum
12-30-2009, 10:41 PM
I must to say that it'll be a very fluffy army.... :rolleyes:

fluffy?

person person
12-31-2009, 01:27 AM
Fluff=background etc. fluffy army=in line/makes sense with background.
If you collect a CSM army dedicated to Khorne and the only Slaanesh model in your army is your Daemon Prince w/ mark of Slaanesh so you can use Lash, that is NOT fluffy. However if your army only consisted of Kharn, models with mark of Khorne, and defilers, that is fluffy.

OT: I've seen some mechanical daemons before, but all of them had to do with the Forge of Souls and the Iron Pact etc. I think if it didn't come out of the Forge of Souls, its possesed by a daemon therefore not daemonic technology. Although I think that being a daemon manufactured by the Forge of Souls is basically the worst fate possible for any daemon considering your a slave to the gods to start with, then you have to give up all souls and machinery to the Forge, then fight in the Forge's defence which could easily end up the losing side against any Chaos God.

Lerra
12-31-2009, 02:22 AM
The nice thing about chaos is that you can take models from nearly any army and corrupt them to chaos. It's especially easy to convert mechanical models to Nurgle.

cybertuna
12-31-2009, 08:14 AM
A daemon prince...once the damned plastic one comes out; a unit of plaguebearers, a unit of daemonettes, and a unit of bloodletters; at least 3 bloodcrushers of khorne led by a Herald on juggernaught, a herald of slaanesh, 2-5 fiends of slaanesh, and a soulgrinder.

Where's tha Tzeentchi love? :(

It almost seems like your Plaguebearers are out of place in all that purple and red. ;) Let me suggest another unit of bloodletters instead? I LOVE my bloodletters. They are quite awesome...they walk through most anything with extreme prejudice. Plus, the new plastics look great! The Daemonettes, on the other hand...well, they suck hard... Greater Daemons are pretty danged ridiculous, too, so I usually take a Lord of Change in every army I field. They are WAY too awesome not to!

...of course, I'm also a hard-core Tzeentchi guy, so I discourage all support for Papa Nurgle...he's icky. :cool:

As for making your army more 40k-ish, I can't really suggest anything. Per the fluff, daemons have had the same general form since the realms of chaos were created, and the only real 40K-specific development in the Daemons list is the Soul Grinder. Also, you have to consider that many of the daemons in your 40K army could be the EXACT SAME DAEMONS that existed in the Warhammer Fantasy days. They enter the mortal realm, battle, get "killed," return to the warp, construct a new body for themselves while enduring the mocking of their fellows, and do it all again. They never really die, and so they never really HAVE to change.

Duke
12-31-2009, 02:23 PM
No more blood letters, they die too easily. Any marine player who has their head on straight will simply rapid fire you and use Null Zone while he laughs coldly as you pick up your models.

Duke

Lord Azaghul
12-31-2009, 02:36 PM
I'm a chaos player most recently for 40K, and I really want to get started with daemons. I have the codex and all that, but the background for daemons has always kinda irked me. Daemons have always seemed like a fantasy race more,.

One of the many reasons I don't think the army belongs in the game...
Come over to the light my friend: The Imperial Guard are waiting!

Lucidum
12-31-2009, 06:57 PM
One of the many reasons I don't think the army belongs in the game...
Come over to the light my friend: The Imperial Guard are waiting!

I actually agree, they just aren't very 40K-ish. Perhaps if more time and effort had been put into the codex I'd feel otherwise, and more models had been produced for them. But yeah, they don't sit well in the universe. And no thanks, not a guard fan...although I do like sentinels XP

Asymmetrical Xeno
12-31-2009, 07:14 PM
I love my Tzeentch Daemons, it allowed me to go crazy with all the Lovecraftian stuff. The flamers are my favourite models in the entire game too, and the horrors and screamers are also very nice so I love 40k daemons. Also Enslavers, Necrons and Tzeentch Daemons facing it off as a three-way battle has been the most fun battle iv ever had :D

That said, id love to see more techno stuff, maybe its cos I grew up with Old School Doom but I love the idea of Cyborg Demons. I hope whenever they get updated again they'll get some Doomish stuff thrown in to 40k it up more.

person person
12-31-2009, 09:51 PM
The nice thing about chaos is that you can take models from nearly any army and corrupt them to chaos. It's especially easy to convert mechanical models to Nurgle.

Heh, I converted a 1:100 Zaku gundam into a Nurgle Knight titan, fun and... not too hard.

Happy New Years guys!

RogueGarou
01-01-2010, 01:20 AM
Don't forget the good old Blood Slaughterer of Khorne. The new models from Forge World are nicer than the old Rogue Trader era ones to boot.

Congrats on fielding Daemons as an army. I have been playing Chaos for about 15 years. Daemons are very different from other armies in their fluff. You could draw some inspiration for your tech Daemons from the Grey Knights novel series, the second novel, I forget the name. It is about a forge world that has been corrupted by Chaos and spent a century in the warp. Some of the Daemons appear like computer programs or machine code language like a computer virus. Others appear to be possessed machines. Depending on how much work you want to put into the army, you could always use other models as the basis for your Daemons and then cyborg them out and craft them into some cool converted models. For instance, something like Arco-Flagellants as a basis for you Bloodletters. Hellblades have been described as being swords and axes in different editions of the game so you might make them akin to the old blade on a chain type of weapon. I can imagine using a Bloodletter model as the basis, removing the hands and replacing them coils of chain or cabling sprouting from the forearm stumps, swirling about their bodies, and with axe heads or some other blades attaches to the ends of the chains. Adding bits to the heads similar to some of the bionic eye or targeter wargear on other models.

Nurgle models could look kind of like the blob from the end of Akira or some other monster/bio-mechanical creature from Anime. The Boomers from Bubblegum Crisis or Bubblegum Crash might server as inspiration to you. Some of the Tau battlesuit designs with very obvious organic components added to the models might look awesome.

Bottom line is, have fun with them. It is your army. When you start playing them, don't get discouraged. They seem to either do well or very poorly. You will be removing a lot of models from the table. For the most part, you will only be relying on a 5+ save. It is invulnerable but it is not reliable. Combined with most models having only one wound makes for a lot of models being removed from the table. On top of that, many of your units will be sitting there for at least one turn getting shot to pieces. The good news is that you can take large squads and that often times, a handful of them can slaughter a squad in close combat so a few losses is not going to result in giving away a victory. Your best shooting options are Tzeentch Daemons so you might want to work some corrupted gun servitors into your list to represent some Horrors or Flamers.

An example is the game I just finished a couple of hours ago. My Daemons were again fighting a good friends Tau army. As has been happening for a year or so now, my Soul Grinder was destroyed on the first shooting attack against it. As has been happening for a year now, it has not killed even a single model. I failed almost every armor save during the game and removed nearly my whole army from the table. They are low points for many models and that is to be expected. What was not expected was failing so many saves and the ease with which my friend rolled 6's to wound. It just wasn't my night and I realized this on his turn 1 when both of my Flamer squads, Daemon Prince, Great Unclean One, and Soul Grinder were dead. The only unit to survive the first wave was a squad of Horrors. The rest of the game all but one unit scattered horribly and always out of cover. What made me really come to terms with the fact that the dice were angry with me was a Daemon Prince losing his last wound in close combat with a Broadside squad and failing a 3+ save. A bad night overall but it happens. The army has done very well before and the sacrifice of the Soul Grinder seems to produce good tidings for the rest of the army, except for tonight. Oh, well... good luck with the army, don't get discouraged, and have fun with the Warp beasties.

Fellend
01-01-2010, 07:08 AM
Not really sure but if this helps but at my local community there's an awesome soulgrinder conversion. It's uses a basilisk together with the demon part of the SG. The barrel sticks up through his chest and one arm uses the top armor as a shield while the other holds a sword.

Also tau suit conversions would make really awesome demons, Or a demon wraith lord.

Lucidum
01-02-2010, 04:24 AM
I managed to get some stuff worked on in regards to daemons in the 40k universe. Namely, I started a chaos-themed Inquisitor game 54mm warband- lead by a tzeentch daemon-possessed character. Aside from that I am also starting a purely daemon-ship chaos fleet for BFG. It's a start...

fuzzbuket
01-02-2010, 01:31 PM
Heres some ideas

ages on this fourm there was some tech-daemons (nec warrior legs+bloodletters)
and for a unified force
bloodletters with (tech) claws=daemonetters
fat, shortend bloodletters(or a robot replacement) = plaugebearers
bloodletters+ arm cannon= tezzench
-fuzz

Lucidum
01-04-2010, 12:09 AM
Yeah, gave up already on the specialist games :P

Working right now on a daemonic forge-host for Daemons of Chaos. Working on some dramatically posed soulgrinders, and had the idea of daemonic troops that have forsaken their gods in service to the forge (much like the soulgrinder daemons themselves). I figured that these daemons, while still more or less bloodletters, horrors, daemonettes, etc, would be no longer bearing their gods' gifts. For example, bloodletters, which are normally blood-red in colour, will be a pallid grey with their veins and arteries visible through their skin. I thought this would sort of represent them no longer being the warriors of the blood god (sorta de-blooded). Since they're soldiers of the forge of souls (or rather, a similiar establishment I created), they'll have hellish, mechanical enhancements, like daemonic bionics.

Dreg Warpspawn
01-08-2010, 10:24 AM
Hi Lucidem! One of the great things about Chaos is that it's full of potential for conversions and variations! Your ideas are very interesting, best of luck with it!

If it helps, I like to think of the critters in the warp as being shaped a bit by the subconscious dreams of mankind. Since the warp is timeless yet not, and other confusing things, the daemons weaponry is mostly melee and hand to hand weaponry. Since the dawn of time mankind has had a sword fetish, so the concept of 'sword' is more deeply entrenched in the minds of mortals, and shapes the warp more readily than 'gun' which is a much newer symbol and hence has had less time to shape the warp entities. But that's not to say they haven't at all, and your army sure sounds perfectly reasonable and refreshingly innovative to me:)

Anyway, that's just what I think:) Be kind to your Daemonettes! Slaanesh loves his little children!

person person
01-08-2010, 08:56 PM
daemonic bionics.

Sounds kinda...catchy.

OT: Love the whole left god x to join the forge idea.

Good Luck!

Tzeentch
10-18-2012, 04:17 PM
Nice just a shame that there's no Tzeentch models in there :(

Tzeentch's Dark Agent
10-18-2012, 04:31 PM
My master! You've arrived!!

Tzeentch
10-18-2012, 05:16 PM
blood letters aren't bad you just need to use them right, blood letters are great against space marines, although not as good a pink horrors.

Wildeybeast
10-19-2012, 11:20 AM
Wow, resurrecting a two year old thread, that's got to be a record!

Tzeentch's Dark Agent
10-19-2012, 11:46 AM
My Master operates in strange ways.

Learn2Eel
10-19-2012, 04:59 PM
It's ironic, Tzeentch Daemons are the best kind at the moment, yet their Tzeentch Chaos Marine equivalents are the worst kind. Sad but true. Oh well, it's never stopped me!
Just need to get me some Tzeentch Daemons.