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mysterex
01-05-2010, 12:15 AM
Just saw this from Stickmonkey at WarSeer and thought you may be interested. As it covers both codexes & figures I started a new thread:


"Re: 2010 models
So in discussion today a few new things came up. Treat as rumors, as this source does not have direct information.

Missions Book
* New units for SM, Orks, Chaos/CSM, and IG re-confirmed. No other love.

Inquisition
* All inquisition units to get new models...eventually
* Codex: Inquisition to combine all orders of =I=
* GK being focused on for release, Sisters 2nd wave
* No allies, but indoctrinated units will include choices from other Imperial armies
* No faith points
* Lots of Psychic Nullification
* Lots of Ignore Invul
* Another flyer/transport kit Valkyrie-sized being planned for release
* GK models may see light of day early tied into another product release. (commentary: I hear rumors of a Space hulk expansion being planned, but they are vague and disorganized, so much salt needed here)
* Release window is not 2010 for C:I
* Imperial Assassin now a single unit, culdex, Caladeus, etc all gone. Unit will have numerous lethal options. Very Expensive.

Dark Eldar
* GW would like to try opposing armies back to back... (commentary: DE/E? Who are DEs biggest opposition?)
* While most models are "final" the sprue designs are not started for some...aka we still have a manufacturing ramp up
* New units heavy in FA FOC

Necrons
* Likely last Codex before 6th Ed. (commentary:i.e. dont hold your breath)
* Complete overhaul
* Some chance of early plastics in 2011 for existing units that need them...but design changes may preclude. (commentary: i.e. dont count on any new models until the Codex release.)
* Much more "Immortal" theme, less "Terminator" (commentary: I took this to mean more organic based and asked, and was told "no, not organic, they will still be undying machines")

That's all I got.
Last edited by Stickmonkey; 05-01-2010 at 01:43."

Original link is http://www.warseer.com/forums/showthread.php?t=237442&page=24

I've only included this as they guy has some credibility. And don't shoot me I'm just the messenger - you know who you are;)!

Necrosis
01-05-2010, 12:30 AM
I seriously question this. It's been said again and again that they won't combine the Inquisition codex into one. They idea that they are combining all the codexs into one is ridicolousy. This is like a slap in the face for all Inquisition players. This means were probably going to lose some units and maybe get one or two units at most. Why would they even give us another flyer? Isn't the Valykrie good enough. On top of that why is their indoctrinated units from other Imperial armies? If I want to play gaurd then I'll play the Imperial Guard army. If I want to play space marines then I'll play the space marine army. This seriously seems like GW got lazy and just combined all the codexs into one so they wouldn't have to do much typing.

Edit:
But if it is true then let's hope its a big Codex with lots of new units for each faction including Radicals and the Ordo Militants. As for Fate just cause Faith points are gone doesn't mean act of faiths are gone.

Cyberscape7
01-05-2010, 01:47 AM
To be honest I have heard a lot of rumours that the necrons will have their codex out in the middle of this year and that Inquisiton will get their codex Jan 2010. As you've said these are just rumours but I think necrons willbe getting an update b4 inquisition and DEFINITLEY before tau.
btw. Since Eldar are like a core army that has had a new codex every edition practically there is a strong chance they will get a new codex in 2011 or sumthin. The plastic aspects are coming:D:D:D

Jokubas
01-05-2010, 01:54 AM
He listed the things together, but he wasn't positive himself on the details.

Perhaps the Inquisition will be a new codex altogether (I know it would be another Imperium one, and I agree that gets old). Maybe it combines the Ordos, but not their Chambers Militant. We've heard a million times that they wanted to downplay the Inquisition for the Grey Knights and the Sisters of Battle so it seems odd if they are just combining those. Unless, what they really want is to still have the Inquistion, but just not at the cost of their minions.

Example:
Codex: Inquisition
Codex: Grey Knights
Codex: Sisters of Battle

Codex: Inquisition could have the Inquisitors, a massive new variety of henchmen, stormtroopers, daemonhosts, assassins, arbites, some other overlooked Imperial troops, and options to choose the indoctrinated army.

P.S. I'm not saying I want this (I wouldn't mind if GW had a better track record of keeping up with large numbers of armies, but as things are this would only muddle things), but I just wanted to throw it out there as a possibility.

HsojVvad
01-05-2010, 06:53 AM
That is what I was going to say Jokubas. Remember it was said a few times, that Grey Knights and Sisters of Battle will be seperate now. It is said Stickey Monekey said Inquition will be combined. I guess some people were hoping that GK and SoB would be together, and I believe that is what GW ment that will never happen.

No where did you read in Stickey Monekey's post about GK and SoB being together. Remember Necrosis, just because he said that SoB will lose their faith points dosn't mean it will be in the Inquition codex. It would make more sence to combine all 3 Inquition now espically if GK and SoB will not be included anymore.

Anarchyman99
01-05-2010, 08:17 AM
BS and I don't mean Shooting Aptitude.....the loss of faith points.....GW come on your not hitting the crack pipe that hard are you?

Lord Azaghul
01-05-2010, 08:24 AM
I'm not sure how much of this is true, but I would actually seriously expect faith points to be thrown out, or at least seriously rewritten. As they are currently written they actually require the player to 'think'.
Just remember all the 'stream lining' gw seems to like to do with each new codex. I'd be willing to bet that faith points are massively changed or removed all together, so the effect of you get x bonus that you can buy for y points.

RocketRollRebel
01-05-2010, 08:33 AM
As much as I love inquisitors, I'm not sure how they would work as their own codex. I can understand them running around attaching themselves to Grey Knights, Sisters, a Guard unit, Space Marines, ect ect, in order to accomplish their means but I dont really see them as a head of an army. To me (and from what I gathered from the Eisenhorn books) and inquisitor is more like a detective than a general or strategist. I think they do best as a main focus for role playing games and as more a support unit/character for armies in 40k.

With that said I am very skeptical about most of these rumors(ie:everything that wasn't already confirmed). I've been hearing stuff about Necrons and Dark Eldar being "just around the corner" since I started playing almost 4 years ago. I know that they have to come out EVENTUALLY but I'm just jaded I guess haha.

Melissia
01-05-2010, 08:39 AM
I'd rather hope that Jervis Johnson is right in that they're intelligent enough to NOT combine Sisters, Grey Knights, and the Inquisition into one inevitably craptastic codex. I'd rather see the Inquisition get one codex and then wait until later to get my Sisters codex than be involved in that malarkey. These rumors contradict what we've been hearing from Jervis Johnson and other "official" GW sources, and so I don't really trust them.

Melissia
01-05-2010, 08:43 AM
I'm not sure how much of this is true, but I would actually seriously expect faith points to be thrown out, or at least seriously rewritten. As they are currently written they actually require the player to 'think'.
Just remember all the 'stream lining' gw seems to like to do with each new codex. I'd be willing to bet that faith points are massively changed or removed all together, so the effect of you get x bonus that you can buy for y points.

Faith Points aren't really more complicated than Orders. All they'd have to do is change the test of faith to a leadership test and make each Faithful squad able to do one per turn and they would effectively BE Imperial Guard Orders.

Lord Azaghul
01-05-2010, 08:48 AM
Faith Points aren't really more complicated than Orders. All they'd have to do is change the test of faith to a leadership test and make each Faithful squad able to do one per turn and they would effectively BE Imperial Guard Orders.

Actually I like that idea, that would be pretty cool, it would add to there flexabilty and make them a little 'easier' to use.

Madjob
01-05-2010, 11:52 AM
As much as I love inquisitors, I'm not sure how they would work as their own codex. I can understand them running around attaching themselves to Grey Knights, Sisters, a Guard unit, Space Marines, ect ect, in order to accomplish their means but I dont really see them as a head of an army. To me (and from what I gathered from the Eisenhorn books) and inquisitor is more like a detective than a general or strategist. I think they do best as a main focus for role playing games and as more a support unit/character for armies in 40k.

There are entire factions of Inquisitors that are very much fire and brimstone in their approach to dealing with their enemies. Eisenhorn himself states on several occasions in the first book that he feels he stands apart from most of his Puritan peers in that he prefers to take measured, calculated steps in his work and to keep conflict and firefights to a minimum. Even so, he participated directly in the exact sort of conflict you're describing the assault on the Saruthi homeworld, which also involved several platoons of inducted Imperial Guard, at least 5 different senior Inquisitors, and even a squad of Space Marines.

Subject Keyword
01-05-2010, 01:10 PM
As you've said these are just rumours but I think necrons willbe getting an update b4 inquisition and DEFINITLEY before tau.
btw. The plastic aspects are coming:D:D:D

*sigh*

I hope you're right.

Asymmetrical Xeno
01-05-2010, 01:44 PM
dont really like the idea of mixing the inquisition into one book either - and I dont even play them, but I strongly think that the grey knights and sisters should get a codex of their own each.

I hope necrons arent as late arriving as that either :/

fuzzbuket
01-05-2010, 02:38 PM
They need to fix retinues
the witchunters seem slightly better but the current DH ones suck its either 1-3 combats, 1-3 acos, 1-2 familiars

or

2 sages,3 gun servitors, 1/2 mystic

need more varietys (eg. read ravenor/ eisenhorn)
Dont lump sisters+ GK together

could it be a coo idea that you could get custodians for GK because GK are rarley called out and if its that big a threat it could merit 1-5 custodians:D

-fuzz

Lerra
01-05-2010, 02:53 PM
I don't like this rumor much. I am really hoping that the allies rules are kept in the game. I wouldn't mind seeing the allies rules expanded, actually, to include Kroot Mercs for xenos armies.

I wouldn't be surprised if Faith Points are removed and replaced with "Tests of Faith" or a similar faith system without the actual points. I don't think GW could get away with removing faith in general, though. I would hope that GW would expand upon the faith system as it's one of the more unique parts of the army.

HsojVvad
01-05-2010, 03:29 PM
I don't like this rumor much. I am really hoping that the allies rules are kept in the game. I wouldn't mind seeing the allies rules expanded, actually, to include Kroot Mercs for xenos armies.


I am shure they will get rid of allies. Since no new codex that came out, they can't ally up with anyone so I am assuming it will be the same for the =I=. What that means, is the =I= can't use the the SM or IG codex as allies, but I am shure the units that they can use like SM and IG will be in the combined =I= codex.

If you pick a certian Inquisitor, that will make you Xeno, Deamon, or Witch Hunter. Then it will break down to what Retinue you can have, and what other units you might be able to use.

Xeno I am guessing would have access to Death Watch, Deamon will have access to SM and WH will have access to ??? I am not shure.

All Ordors will have access to IG stormtroopers as common troops and what ever else GW can thinnk of. Also I think there will be ways to make you Radcial and Puritan. But I think they will be the last codex out. This way if you are Xeno Hunter, you will be prepared to go agaisnt a certian race.

Melissia
01-05-2010, 03:41 PM
That post hurt my brain to read... can you proofread?

DarkLink
01-05-2010, 07:55 PM
I don't like this rumor much. I am really hoping that the allies rules are kept in the game. I wouldn't mind seeing the allies rules expanded, actually, to include Kroot Mercs for xenos armies.


I'm kinda surprised that anyone expects them to keep allies, tbh.


As long as I can make a pure Grey Knight army that is more competitive than the current one, I'll be ok. And if not, I'll live with a competitive Sisters army, since I'm expanding my Sisters for an escalation league currently.

Anarchyman99
01-05-2010, 11:47 PM
Just remember all the 'stream lining' gw seems to like to do with each new codex. I'd be willing to bet that faith points are massively changed or removed all together, so the effect of you get x bonus that you can buy for y points.

More like the Black Templar Vows system....it was that you could pick what you needed on the fly that gave the army the power.

RogueGarou
01-17-2010, 10:00 AM
I think the big change to Allies would be that the units are listed in the Codex (or Codicii) instead of stating that you can use certain units from certain other books. For example, having an actual Leman Russ entry instead of saying you can field one Leman Russ from Codex: Imperial Guard.

IF the Inquisition is combined into one book, it probably will not be as bad as some people think it could be. As long as it is made into a large enough book and it is efficiently laid out, it could work well enough. There would have to be no duplication of entries, put everything into one place in the Codex so it is printed only one time.

That said, I liked having my Sisters and Assassins Codicii in 2E and 3E. I would like the same in the future, thank you. Actually, the Assassins are the only beef I have with these rumors. Super BIG if here, but if there was an Imperial Agents/Inquisition Codex like was planned for 2E, I would love to see the Assassins reworked slightly. Keep the four main Temples, keep the Death Cult, bring back the Imperial Assassin with the variable load-out, and bring in some of the other Assassin Temples. The Venenum Temple Assassin could cause a Poisin attack at the beginning of the game on an Independent Character or perhaps a D6 wounds to a squad. I believe other Temples have been mentioned but the Venenum Temple stands out so there could be some brand new ones as well. Perhaps something similar to the Callidus that causes one unit to be placed in reserve or causes a minue one to reserve rolls for a particular unit coming in from Reserve.

As long as the Grey Knights and Sisters of Battle can be made into full armies, I am ALL for them having their own books. If they are going to be kept whittled down like they have been, then I am for having one big book with them in it. Either way, I think the Deathwatch will be kept down to a small entry no matter how much I would like to see all three of the main Inquisition big guns get their time in the sun.

With 5e just over a year old and so many Codicii NOT updated to 5E (or 4E for that matter), I am saddened to hear anyone mention a 6E on the horizon, rumor or otherwise. I would like to see a year between the last 5E Codex and a new edition of the game. During that time, it would provide ample time for the last Codex to be played and to see what kind of dynamics come about in the gaming community before jumping to a new edition of the core rules. It would also be a great time to release another expansion book or another worldwide campaign. That might even make for a great swansong for 5E. It could be the edition of the core rules that saw all of the armies on the same update and go out with a worldwide campaign like the Armageddon or Eye of Terror campaign. Release a few special edition models to go with the campaign and get people rabid to get in a few last games prior to the changeover to 5E.

But I am neither a game designer nor an employee of GW so what do I know? I would just like to see all of the armies up to date before moving onto a new set of core rules. If 6E is close on the horizon, then I would really like to see 40k releases more often. Since they also have Fantasy and the Specialist Games, I really don't see why there should be a push for 6E anytime soon. 2E was around several years, 3E was around for several years, 4E was out for only 3-4 years, I think. 5E is very similar to 4E and if they allow it to live for 5 years, all of the Codicii could be released and still have a window to add something new before scrapping it all for a new edition. Even with Sisters and Knights getting their own SEPARATE books.

david5th
01-17-2010, 11:08 AM
Both Dark Eldar and Necrons need new codexes for 2 reasons -

1. Both very old and need to be brought into line with 5th edition.
2. To stop the incessant whining of the players of said codexes.

There should be no singular Inquisition codex. All 3 should be kept seperate to keep their distinctive roles and traits within the 40K universe.

DarkLink
01-17-2010, 02:16 PM
As long as the Grey Knights and Sisters of Battle can be made into full armies... Either way, I think the Deathwatch will be kept down to a small entry no matter how much I would like to see all three of the main Inquisition big guns get their time in the sun.


Sisters are already effectively their own book. They already have multiple units in each force org slot, with plenty of room for expansion. Grey Knights have lots of potential too, but need much more work.

And Deathwatch doesn't even have a codex (just an outdated armylist), nor does there seem to be any plans for one, like, ever.



There should be no singular Inquisition codex. All 3 should be kept seperate to keep their distinctive roles and traits within the 40K universe.

Aside from the fact that we probably won't get a Ordos Xenos codex anytime soon, if ever, I fully agree.