2000 point marine toury army

[spaz102]

Hi All,

I am looking for some feedback on my army for an upcoming toury. I tried to make a balanced fun list. I know I am going to be facing nids like it is going out of style, but I need to be ready for all the other armies.
Please let me know what you think!!! Thanks in advance!!!

HQ: Captain Cato Sicarius (1#, 200 pts)
1 Captain Cato Sicarius @ 200 pts (Frag Grenades; Krak Grenades; Iron Halo; Mantle of Suzerain; Plasma Pistol; Talassarian Tempest Blade)
1 Mantle of Suzerain

HQ: Space Marine Librarian (1#, 100 pts)
1 Space Marine Librarian @ 100 pts (...in Power Armour; Null Zone; The Gate of Infinity)
1 ...in Power Armour (Frag Grenades; Krak Grenades; Power Armour; Psychic Hood; Force Weapon; Bolter)

Elite: Sternguard Veteran Squad (10#, 270 pts)
9 Sternguard Veteran Squad @ 270 pts (Frag Grenades; Krak Grenades; Power Armour; Special Issue Ammunition; Bolt Pistol x9; Bolter x9)
1 Sergeant (Frag Grenades; Krak Grenades; Power Armour; Special Issue Ammunition; Melta Bombs; Bolter; Power Weapon)

Troops: Tactical Squad (10#, 190 pts)
9 Tactical Squad @ 190 pts (Frag Grenades; Krak Grenades; Power Armour; Bolt Pistol x9; Bolter x7; Meltagun; Multi-Melta)
1 Sergeant (Frag Grenades; Krak Grenades; Bolter; Power Weapon)

Troops: Tactical Squad (11#, 210 pts)
9 Tactical Squad @ 210 pts (Frag Grenades; Krak Grenades; Power Armour; Bolt Pistol x9; Bolter x7; Flamer; Missile Launcher; Razorback)
1 Sergeant (Frag Grenades; Krak Grenades; Bolt Pistol; Bolter)
1 Razorback (Searchlight; Smoke Launchers; Twin Linked Heavy Bolter)

Troops: Tactical Squad (11#, 210 pts)
9 Tactical Squad @ 210 pts (Frag Grenades; Krak Grenades; Power Armour; Bolt Pistol x9; Bolter x7; Flamer; Missile Launcher; Razorback)
1 Sergeant (Frag Grenades; Krak Grenades; Bolt Pistol; Bolter)
1 Razorback (Searchlight; Smoke Launchers; Twin Linked Heavy Bolter)

Fast Attack: Vanguard Veteran Squad (5#, 240 pts)
4 Vanguard Veteran Squad @ 240 pts (Frag Grenades; Krak Grenades; Power Armour; Equip Squad with Jump Packs; Melta Bombs x1; Bolt Pistol x1; Chainsword x4; Plasma Pistol x1; Power Weapon x2)
1 Sergeant (Frag Grenades; Krak Grenades; Power Armour; Jump Pack; Bolt Pistol; Relic Blade)

Heavy Support: Devastator Squad (6#, 225 pts)
4 Devastator Squad @ 225 pts (Frag Grenades; Krak Grenades; Power Armour; Bolt Pistol x4; Missile Launcher x4; Razorback)
1 Sergeant (Frag Grenades; Krak Grenades; Signum; Bolt Pistol; Bolter)
1 Razorback (Searchlight; Smoke Launchers; Twin Linked Lascannon)

Elite: Ironclad Dreadnought (2#, 210 pts)
1 Ironclad Dreadnought @ 210 pts (Extra Armor; Searchlight; Smoke Launchers; Ironclad Assault Launchers; Dreadnought CCW; Meltagun; Seismic Hammer; Heavy Flamer; Dreadnought Drop Pod (IA))
1 Dreadnought Drop Pod (IA) ((IA2, pg. 152))

Elite: Dreadnought (1#, 145 pts)
1 Dreadnought @ 145 pts (Searchlight; Smoke Launchers; Twin Linked Lascannon; Twin Linked Autocannon)

[Chumbalaya]

Sicarius is not worth it (his few abilities don't make him worthwhile, never infiltrate Tacticals), Vanguard suck, Devastators are overpriced why do you have Tacticals and Sternies on foot?

Lose Suckarius, give your Sternguard a Pod, take 2 suicide Dreads or 2 Rifleman Dreads, give your Tacticals Rhinos, and add something with a little oomph, you have 0 combat ability at 2000 points and Dreads won't cut it.

I'm not a huge fan, but teleporting TH/SS Termies with locator beacons around and a Libby with Gate could work.

[Cryl]

Sicarius is not worth it (his few abilities don't make him worthwhile, never infiltrate Tacticals), Vanguard suck, Devastators are overpriced why do you have Tacticals and Sternies on foot?

Lose Suckarius, give your Sternguard a Pod, take 2 suicide Dreads or 2 Rifleman Dreads, give your Tacticals Rhinos, and add something with a little oomph, you have 0 combat ability at 2000 points and Dreads won't cut it.

I'm not a huge fan, but teleporting TH/SS Termies with locator beacons around and a Libby with Gate could work.

Basically what Chumbalaya said but don't deepstrike TH/SS termies... if you're taking TH/SS termies and deepstriking them you're wasting a turn of assault. Put them in an LRC (extra armour, MM and possibly Storm Bolter) and drive them at the enemy. That's going to be good against 'nids too as you have a decent amount of shots to kill both little and big bugs.

[Unholy_Martyr]

I would start by dropping the Devastator Squad, Vanguard and Sternguard. This frees up 735 points. From here go with Assault Terminators in the Land Raider of your choice. If you're going for suicide dreadnoughts, I would go with Ironclad Dreadnoughts, much more survivable and far better in my experience at causing problems in the backfield. Take 2 of those and one T/L Dreadnought, or possibly 3 as they are murderous and you still have range. Give your Sgt. Power Weapons/ Fists and mount all of your squads up. Personally, I think you would be just fine having the Librarian with the Terminators in a Crusader and give whoever you run into a dose of hell. And Cato...well Cato is special and deserves a special place...in your collection for funzies.

[Schultzhoffen]

I agree with all the above. As much as I love Sicarius, he's purely there for fun with friends, NOT Tourney use. You can still use the model, call him Sicarius but use the Generic SM Captain stats and equipment (much cheaper).

Vanguard and Devastators blow.

You need rhinos (or Razorbacks) for ALL units.

You need Assault Terminators in a LRC.

Sorry, but you do.

Good luck.

[spaz102]

Thanks for the feedback. Here is my new list:
HQ: Captain Darnath Lysander (1#, 200 pts)
1 Captain Darnath Lysander @ 200 pts (Storm Shield; Fist of Dorn)
1 Fist of Dorn

HQ: Space Marine Librarian (1#, 140 pts)
1 Space Marine Librarian @ 140 pts (...in Terminator Armour; Null Zone; The Gate of Infinity)
1 ...in Terminator Armour (Psychic Hood; Force Weapon; Storm Shield)

Elite: Terminator Squad (10#, 465 pts)
9 Terminator Squad @ 465 pts (Power Fist x8; Storm Bolter x9; Chain Fist x1; Cyclone Missile Launcher; Cyclone Missile Launcher)
1 Sergeant (Power Sword; Storm Bolter)

Elite: Ironclad Dreadnought (2#, 210 pts)
1 Ironclad Dreadnought @ 210 pts (Extra Armor; Searchlight; Smoke Launchers; Ironclad Assault Launchers; Dreadnought CCW; Meltagun; Seismic Hammer; Heavy Flamer; Dreadnought Drop Pod (IA))
1 Dreadnought Drop Pod (IA) ((IA2, pg. 152))

Elite: Ironclad Dreadnought (2#, 220 pts)
1 Ironclad Dreadnought @ 220 pts (Extra Armor; Searchlight; Smoke Launchers; Ironclad Assault Launchers; Dreadnought CCW; Meltagun; Seismic Hammer; Heavy Flamer; Dreadnought Drop Pod (IA))
1 Dreadnought Drop Pod (IA) ((IA2, pg. 152); Locator Beacon)

Troops: Tactical Squad (11#, 220 pts)
9 Tactical Squad @ 220 pts (Frag Grenades; Krak Grenades; Power Armour; Bolt Pistol x9; Bolter x7; Meltagun; Multi-Melta; Drop Pod)
1 Sergeant (Frag Grenades; Krak Grenades; Bolt Pistol; Combi-Meltagun)
1 Drop Pod (Storm Bolter)

Troops: Tactical Squad (11#, 215 pts)
9 Tactical Squad @ 215 pts (Frag Grenades; Krak Grenades; Power Armour; Bolt Pistol x9; Bolter x7; Flamer; Missile Launcher; Drop Pod)
1 Sergeant (Frag Grenades; Krak Grenades; Bolt Pistol; Combi-Flamer)
1 Drop Pod (Storm Bolter)

Troops: Tactical Squad (11#, 235 pts)
9 Tactical Squad @ 235 pts (Frag Grenades; Krak Grenades; Power Armour; Bolt Pistol x9; Bolter x7; Plasmagun; Multi-Melta; Drop Pod)
1 Sergeant (Frag Grenades; Krak Grenades; Bolt Pistol; Combi-Plasmagun)
1 Drop Pod (Locator Beacon; Storm Bolter)

Fast Attack: Scout Bike Squad (3#, 95 pts)
2 Scout Bike Squad @ 95 pts (Frag Grenades; Krak Grenades; Scout Armour; Space Marine Bike; Bolt Pistol; Shotgun)
1 Sergeant (Frag Grenades; Krak Grenades; Scout Armour; Space Marine Bike; Locator Beacon; Bolt Pistol; Shotgun)

[Chumbalaya]

DS armies can be countered fairly easily, go into reserves and now your would be alpha strike is at your opponent's mercy.

I like the idea of Lysander, the Libby and Termies as an advancing brick. Swap the rest of your army to a more mechanized force and I think you'll have a winner.