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Madigan

07-24-2009, 12:54 PM

Well, if there was any period in the company's history for them to start doing unprecedented stuff, it should be now. They can't just continue their current business model and expect to do well, because they can't just keep hiking up prices on their products or people will start turning to 3rd party distributors and scratch-building. They don't exactly support that many "must go" major events over the course of the year, so it's not like having a 100% GW-product force is that big of a deal.

Their customers having been begging for years for them to get off their butts and release codex updates more often. If they actually took that advice and released Blood/Dark Angels and Black Templar as downloadable PDF codices that were updated to reflect the most current ruleset (the post-5th Blood Angels "update" was a joke), it would be the greatest thing they done since bringing back bitz ordering.

And by the way, how hard would it to be to have direct order sprue purchasing? I mean, I love The War Store, but it's not like its that hard to offer individual sprues for sale via their website.

Bulwark

07-24-2009, 02:42 PM

1998 called, they want their GW rant back ;)

Khestra the Unbeheld

07-24-2009, 05:02 PM

1998 called, they want their GW rant back ;)

History really does repeat itself.

Sucks about the DE potentially getting pushed back. I hope it's not because they perceive the Necrons to be an "easier" Codex to design, and then they get the CSM Codex simplify screw-job vis a vis before the Ork Codex release. :(

crazyredpraetorian

07-24-2009, 09:30 PM

I look forward to killing Blood Angels again.

Darkwynn

07-24-2009, 10:20 PM

Blood Angels could be seen a possible tie-in to Space Hulk? Maybe to build on it.

Some of the other forums are saying there might be a Blood Angel/Dark Angel/Templar redux at roughtly the same time, but that would be quite unprecedented.

Templar redone..... Hell hasn't frozen over yet..!

CrusherJoe

07-25-2009, 02:13 AM

CrusherJoe

07-25-2009, 02:16 AM

Our sources say look for:

-Tyranids
-Blood Angels

Early in the year. Not sure of the order. The usual suspects of Necrons and Dark Eldar are also in the rumor mix, with Necrons getting more talk for an earlier slot than the Dark Eldar.

...speaking of things your sources say, has there been any movement on that rumor about a "new race" that made the rounds a while back?

I would love to see a new race that wasn't (a.) a bug, (b.) an elf, or (c.) a dwarf. In fact, a race that doesn't have a parallel to a race in WFB would be pretty cool, I think...though I'll bet that simply won't happen.

Darkseer

07-25-2009, 04:38 PM

Tau perchance? They weren't in Fantasy...unless you're thinking of the old 'fishmen' army list from waaaay back.

CrusherJoe

07-25-2009, 04:55 PM

No, it wasn't an existing race/army. There was a rumor a while back that GW was going to be adding a "new race" to at least 40K, and maybe Fantasy as well (or maybe it was the other way around).

Darkseer

07-26-2009, 12:47 AM

Hmmm... from a practical point of view, that's probably a bad idea on GW's part.
The shelves are already heaving and with countless armies all screaming out for updates, FAQs and new models, I think they have enough on their hands already.

When assessing rumours we now have to bear in mind that since their new MD/CEO, Games Workshop has turned from a semi-disfunctional hobby company into an intelligent money making machine.

Apocalypse was the first big idea to make us all spend more money.
Black Reach was sheer genius in an affordable box.
Planet Strike is very similar to Apocalypse, but with a focus on scenery for our Apocalypse armies.
Now the Space Wolves, one of the most popular armies of all time, are on their way.

Now that Games Workshop is this money hungry machine, I always take rumours with a pinch of salt by contemplating how much money would be in it for GW.

This is why I believe that the Blood Angels/Dark Angels/Black Templar revision may be real. Back in 2nd (and 3rd) edition, these were the most popular space marine armies (alongside Space Wolves) and would be a big money spinner for GW should they properly clarify their rules.

CrusherJoe

07-26-2009, 02:15 AM

Hmmm... from a practical point of view, that's probably a bad idea on GW's part.
The shelves are already heaving and with countless armies all screaming out for updates, FAQs and new models, I think they have enough on their hands already.

I don't know if I'd go that far. The armies that are in most desperate needs of updating really aren't on the shelves. When was the last time you saw Dark Eldar on a shelf somewhere? I'm going to guess it's been a while (while that may sound snarky, it wasn't meant to be, only illustrating a point).

In fact, with the release of Codex: IG, GW is pretty well caught up with mainstream armies that really, REALLY needed an update. Really the only other one left that is in DIRE need of an update is Codex: SW and that's next up. After that, they should be able to cherry-pick codex updates.

Tyranids need an update pretty badly, though I hate to admit it. I'm not really all that afraid of them when someone flops 'em down on the table across from me -- which is been pretty rarely since the advent of 5E. I've kinda enjoyed having a largely bug-free environment, honestly, I hope if they update them its more along the lines of "tweaking" them back into being competitive and not overdoing it. The current 'nid 'dex was prone to abuse with all those MC's available. Hopefully they'll stay about where they are now and not get cranked up on Codex Power Creep Juice.

As for Dark Eldar: OK, this is going to sound callous, cold and vicious...but who cares? All 100 people still left playing them, I'm sure, but they're definitely a very, very rare sight these days. By my way of thinking, the only way to get the attention of the average 40K gamer with a new DE book and model line is to make the model line really, REALLY nice...and then make the codex almost-pornographic in its power level. I would say, "Nah, they'll never do that," but then I look at Codex: Orks...and know they would.

Hmmm... from a practical point of view, that's probably a bad idea on GW's part.
When assessing rumours we now have to bear in mind that since their new MD/CEO, Games Workshop has turned from a semi-disfunctional hobby company into an intelligent money making machine.

Apocalypse was the first big idea to make us all spend more money.
Black Reach was sheer genius in an affordable box.
Planet Strike is very similar to Apocalypse, but with a focus on scenery for our Apocalypse armies.
Now the Space Wolves, one of the most popular armies of all time, are on their way.

Now that Games Workshop is this money hungry machine, I always take rumours with a pinch of salt by contemplating how much money would be in it for GW.

You say "now" as though GW was never out to make a profit. :confused: In the last two years -- yes, I've only been in the hobby for 2 years and I still consider myself a "newcomer", especially compared to some -- I've seen GW's methods change a bit, some different processes and hopefully some added efficiency, but I really don't think they woke up with a new CEO and said, "Whoa, wait, we're supposed to turn a profit, aren't we?" I do think they've become a bit more focused on that goal and honestly, that's how you run a business and as much as we'd like to think they live in Hobbiton living off the souls of children the reality is they're a manufacturer and publisher and they're in The Game, ultimately, to make money. Nothing new there.

Hmmm... from a practical point of view, that's probably a bad idea on GW's part.
This is why I believe that the Blood Angels/Dark Angels/Black Templar revision may be real. Back in 2nd (and 3rd) edition, these were the most popular space marine armies (alongside Space Wolves) and would be a big money spinner for GW should they properly clarify their rules.

I'd like to believe it, because there's definitely some game balance issues that need some attention (Black Templar, I'm looking at you) along with some points adjustments and a unification in the rules for all SM wargear. Not to pour salt in (very) old wounds or flog a (very) dead horse, but all SM wargear with the same name should work and function exactly the same. Every Dark Angel in the house with a Storm Shield say, "Woooo!" :D

Last but not least, if you're a fan of an army with an old book, you may or may NOT want your book updated. Having just picked up the Inquisition books, I'm hoping they don't get around to updating it for a while. A good long while -- like 2+ years. Why? Because I just know they'll take out all the good stuff and replace it with nerftastic crap. :)

Darkseer

07-26-2009, 04:41 AM

I don't know if I'd go that far. The armies that are in most desperate needs of updating really aren't on the shelves. When was the last time you saw Dark Eldar on a shelf somewhere?

The Dark Eldar need a big revamp to make people care.
Remember when the practice sculpts of those Haemoniculi were leaked?
The web went Dark Eldar crazy until someone office stated that they were merely practice models.

Look at how many Dark Elf players there are in fantasy -proof enough that people like the look, feel and character of that kind of army.

Tyranids need an update pretty badly, though I hate to admit it. I'm not really all that afraid of them when someone flops 'em down on the table across from me.

I played an awesome Nid army at last year's UK GT and he quite literally blew me away with sheer fire power while holding me up with his little bugs. He admitted he would have had a hard time against my Tau, but "no one plays them now" I remember him saying.

I think Tyranid players just need to learn a different way of playing, in the same way that Tau players now use the 'mobile tank wall' in 5th edition.

Tyranids used to be a very forgiving and straight forward to play force. Now they seem to require a little more finesse.

You say "now" as though GW was never out to make a profit.
I've seen GW's methods change a bit, some different processes and hopefully some added efficiency, but I really don't think they woke up with a new CEO and said, "Whoa, wait, we're supposed to turn a profit, aren't we?"

Ah, I'm showing my geekiness now. I've been in the hobby since I was 11 and now I'm 26!

GW has always been there to make money. That's obvious. But the big change has come from HOW they make money.

all SM wargear with the same name should work and function exactly the same. Every Dark Angel in the house with a Storm Shield say, "Woooo!"

Last but not least, if you're a fan of an army with an old book, you may or may NOT want your book updated. Having just picked up the Inquisition books, I'm hoping they don't get around to updating it for a while. A good long while -- like 2+ years. Why? Because I just know they'll take out all the good stuff and replace it with nerftastic crap.

As before, FAQs could resolve a lot of issues with regards to different equipment descriptions, points costs and the like.

Back on topic -
Warhammer 40K doesn't really need another army. The Games Workshop range doesn't need another army. And the new very profitable Games Workshop doesn't need to create and sell another army when their current armies sell perfectly well and have a huge following.

splnes

07-26-2009, 06:52 AM

what i would like to see would be them release a new Loyalist and traitor codex at the same time. So a updated SM Space wolves codex and for the CSM Thousand sons codex and create a nemisis thing! that would be awsome!!

Darkseer

07-26-2009, 02:14 PM

Agreed. We need to have some 'proper' Chaos armies. None of this mixing marks malarkey!

CrusherJoe

07-27-2009, 01:41 AM

Well...as my CSM army does a little mark-mixin' I can't say I'm totally with you...but the current C:CSM leads you that way, honestly. I'm of the opinion (which I have heard many others echo) that the current book is more "Codex: Renegade Space Marines" and definitely not "Codex: Chaos Space Marines Traitor Legions".

Trust me, though...on the day they release a "Legions" codex (or even a "Legion", one at a time) I'll be there to put my money down for it.

RealGenius

07-27-2009, 06:50 AM

Tau perchance? They weren't in Fantasy...unless you're thinking of the old 'fishmen' army list from waaaay back.

I think Tau were still cows back in the Fantasy era. What about Fantasy Necrons? :)

I would be disappointed to see another Space Marine (of any variant) Codex. Really, there's nothing new about dudes with Bolters. Give me something original already.

Darkseer

07-27-2009, 10:45 AM

Trust me, though...on the day they release a "Legions" codex (or even a "Legion", one at a time) I'll be there to put my money down for it.

I think a lot of people will be there with you.
I was a Chaos player at the time and the new Codex disgusted me so much that I sold my beautiful army and went to play Tau instead.

What about Fantasy Necrons? :)

Er...Tomb Kings?

CrusherJoe

07-28-2009, 03:54 AM

Yeah, the fantasy analog to Necs is/are is TK -- at least that's what I've been told.

RealGenius

07-28-2009, 02:55 PM

Meh, what do I know about Fantasy.

Harry

07-28-2009, 10:22 PM

About as much as I know about 40K. :D

What I do know is that there is no "new race" winging its way in the 40K direction any time soon (well not as a stand alone army!)

There is no mixed codex .... GW wants each army to each have a stand alone codex and its own range of minis.

The Chaos legions are also intended as stand alone armies with their own codex and range of minis.

Bigred

07-28-2009, 10:28 PM

Thank god for that.

Dedicated codices let the studio really pour their heart and soul into a coherent vision for an army instead of trying to pack an entire concept into 6-12 pages.(see the old CSM codex)

I think its interesting that Fantasy has more armies than 40k yes still feels like there is so much room to grow, while the galaxy-spanning 40k with less codices (and many of them MEQ clones) seems almost too expansive to get your arms around.

Am I the only one who feels like that? Its wierd...

Harry

07-28-2009, 10:47 PM

I think it is something to do with how fully developed the armies are in the two games.

The fantasy game has been around a bit longer, in fantasy the existing races are, for the most part very well developed. With the exception of TK and OK the army books have been revisited and the background well developed. Thus folks are eager to explore new parts of the map.

In 40K some of the armies seem less developed, They do not all have stand alone books and ranges. Their background needs more depth. It feels to me like their is still work to be done to tie up the loose ends before they move on and boldly go in search of new life forms.

IMO

Darkseer

07-29-2009, 12:11 AM

In 40K some of the armies seem less developed, They do not all have stand alone books and ranges. Their background needs more depth. It feels to me like their is still work to be done to tie up the loose ends before they move on and boldly go in search of new life forms.

IMO

So what armies would you have GW do then?
Ad Mech? Genestealer Cult?

splnes

07-29-2009, 05:10 AM

with fantasy everyone has a grasp on what races are what. hell they could pump out a new codex on a new race and they already have back story from other fantasy sources. orges, goblins, undead, humans, elves and dwarves have been done in several different books that have nothing to do with warhammer, the tau on the other hand are strickly 40k, when making a new sci-fy race you have a ton of work ahead of you that other authors havent given you a jump start with. the fantasy world you would expect all of the above or it wouldnt feel right(what do you mean no dragons, this is fantasy right?) but if the new 40k race was the blah blah the hutts then GW would just be thieves. that was a cloaked star wars referance. sorry. back to what i was saying is that when creating a new 40k race every thing must be from scratch or its idea thieving. now this leaves a hard challange on how to make up some thing new without stealing from other sources.

my new 40k race, the mushroom people of isle 9. you deploy 40-50 mushroom men that stand their using thier unusual psyker powers to creat giant Mushroom avatars that go out and wrech ****aki revenge upon there enimeys! see i got this idea from my produce section in the local super market!! and those are just my troop choices wait until you see the heavy suport!!!!

CrusherJoe

07-29-2009, 05:14 AM

*blinks*

Dude, lay off the mushrooms to early in the morning. It makes your posts kinda goofy-soundin'.

(Fun to read, though...)

splnes

07-29-2009, 07:41 AM

dude in the morning?

I’ve already been working on some HQ choices for the Mushroom Men.

Master Cap 225points
Ws6 Bs4 S2 T5 W3 A3 I5 LD10 Sv 2+

Special rules:
Expert psker, Master Cap may use up to 3 psker abilities per turn (limit 1 shooting)
Fungi in the Dark, if a Mushroom Men army has Master Cap the Entire army has scout and infiltrate during night fight.
Old as Dirt, Master Cap is immune to instant death.

War gear:
Razored edge (this straight edged weapon is so sharp it increases S +3 for maximum armor penetration),
Spore Grenades (S9 offensive grenade),
Fungi Armor (only the oldest of the fungal warriors grow slimy fungi armor, it bestows a 2+ save and a 6+ invulnerable save.)

Psker Abilities:
Mushroom cloud, shooting ability. Range 36 S10 AP2 Heavy, Large Blast scatters as normal.
Dazed and Confused, shooting ability. Target unit must take a pinning check at -4LD as they wander around senseless.
Cow patty splatty!! Shooting Ability. Range template S6 AP3.
Trippin, Master Cap and any unit he’s attached to is whisked away and teleported up to 48 inches. If perils of the warp its considered a “Bad Trip” the unit stays where they are at but must make a Dazed and Confused targeted on themselves. Do not roll for perils for Dazed and Confused.
Open your mind, this ability is used at the beginning of the assault phase. Roll for perils, if successful the Razored Edge becomes a power weapon until the end of the turn.

RealGenius

07-29-2009, 07:51 AM

So what armies would you have GW do then?
Ad Mech? Genestealer Cult?

Both of those are humans in the 41st Millenium ideas that I think would get really tired, really quickly. If we ever see AdMech, please let them be rolled into "Armies of the Imperium" that catches WH/DH as well.

Really, how much variation on the basic trooper is there to make something new interesting?

S3, T3, average save -- Guard, Eldar, Tau
S3, T4, good save -- Sisters
S3, T4, bad save -- Orks
S4, T4, good save -- Marines, Necrons

I think the basic trooper dictates the feel of the army. There's really not much variation left, so I think something new is just going to feel like some other existing army with different wargear. Especially an AdMech book.

If I were coming up with a new Xenos race, I'd go with something like Hrud and give them something like S4, T3, 2+ save -- easy to wound but hard to kill dudes that have a natural distortion field.

Anyway, please just not a stand-alone AdMech book. Good fluff != Good codex.

crazyredpraetorian

07-29-2009, 09:21 AM

I disagree about the AdMech army. I think it could be a great way for new warmachines to be introduced. Although, their base troops are normal humans(basically but they do enhance them), their elites and HQs could have some interesting abilities, too. The Praetorians are pretty tough in the fluff. Also, their Assassins sound pretty good as well. I think it could be a really cool army visually, as well. Could be.....

RealGenius

07-29-2009, 09:39 AM

I disagree about the AdMech army. I think it could be a great way for new warmachines to be introduced... their elites and HQs could have some interesting abilities, too.

New war machines that aren't the same as the dozens of existing IG/SM war machines? Interesting abilities that would be something new and not just a new name for "Orders" or something that replaces "Combat Tactics"?

I think people have trouble separating the excellent Black Library stories from what would make a good Codex. "Yeah they just build the guns but they save all the cool stuff for themselves." C'mon, it is just humans with a bunch of war machines? Sounds like like IG to me. Or Space Marines. Really, it is going to be BS3, BS4 with an armor value with any number of the existing IG/SM guns, it is going to look just like a mix of IG and SM. They should totally do it, you could probably write it in a weekend of cutting and pasting from the IG and SM books.

More humans with lasguns, tanks with lascannons? No thanks.

Dosadi

07-29-2009, 10:17 AM

I think we are a ways off from getting a "new" 40k army. The new Dark Eldar will be pretty "new" as they are by far one of the most un-developed races in 40k. We will be getting a new range of models that will replace everything in the current range. So from a development standpoint Dark Eldar are the new 40k army.
Both Tau and Necrons have a more fleshed out background than Dark Eldar. I guess what I'm saying is, there is much to be done with what we've already got established and there is a lot more that goes into a new codex than just the army list.

If we were to get a new 40k army I would suspect that AdMech would be high on the list. I just wouldn't hold my breath.

Dosadi

Darkseer

07-29-2009, 11:08 AM

I can see where you're coming from.

But would you say no to a properly done Lost and The Damned codex?

Harry

07-29-2009, 11:09 AM

I agree with Dosadi.

I guess what I was trying to say before was .... 10 years ago there was no codex for Necrons, Tau, Dark Eldar, Daemon hunters, Witch Hunters (although we had sisters of battle). I guess what I am saying is until they revisit those races and develop them a bit further with a fresh set of ideas ... never mind the Chaos legions ... I guess I am saying ... There is still plenty of work to do.

I also think they have, with the Tau, a great way of introducing new alien races without having to risk a whole new army. It gives them a great testing ground to see which races prove popular enough to consider further development.
(well thats what I would do. :D)

I would like to see them one day doing a split (a bit like happened with the beasts of Chaos in Fantasy) and developing the Kroot into a complete army. Look how that army has been developed by GW and specifically FW through the minis since it was introduced. A few more cool ideas and big plastic kits and this could be a great stand alone army.

RealGenius

07-29-2009, 11:26 AM

I agree; I would much rather them catch all the old books up to 5th edition and then find out what ideas and niche isn't being scratched and make a new army then.

crazyredpraetorian

07-29-2009, 12:09 PM

I agree; I would much rather them catch all the old books up to 5th edition and then find out what ideas and niche isn't being scratched and make a new army then.

That does make sense. But this is GW we're talking about.....So, it isn't going to happen.

crazyredpraetorian

07-29-2009, 12:11 PM

New war machines that aren't the same as the dozens of existing IG/SM war machines? Interesting abilities that would be something new and not just a new name for "Orders" or something that replaces "Combat Tactics"?

I think people have trouble separating the excellent Black Library stories from what would make a good Codex. "Yeah they just build the guns but they save all the cool stuff for themselves." C'mon, it is just humans with a bunch of war machines? Sounds like like IG to me. Or Space Marines. Really, it is going to be BS3, BS4 with an armor value with any number of the existing IG/SM guns, it is going to look just like a mix of IG and SM. They should totally do it, you could probably write it in a weekend of cutting and pasting from the IG and SM books.

More humans with lasguns, tanks with lascannons? No thanks.

It would be cyborgs with hot las and walkers with battle cannons. That's not nearly as boring.

RealGenius

07-29-2009, 12:40 PM

It would be cyborgs with hot las and walkers with battle cannons. That's not nearly as boring.

So basically cutting and pasting a bunch of existing things together. Yay?

crazyredpraetorian

07-29-2009, 12:57 PM

So basically cutting and pasting a bunch of existing things together. Yay?

....In a new and wonderful way.....just like Tau.

splnes

07-29-2009, 01:23 PM

ok guys i said it already the Mushroom Men of Isle Nine will be the new 40k army.

I think that they should update the codex for D.eldar, necrons and tua too. but you know that it would take 2weeks to pump out a legion codex? you know right now that the chaos sm codex is close enough to where they could make vanilla chaos marines and a few legions, and they aready have a range of minis they would just need to make some differnet IC. and look at the orks, they were updated last year but we're still getting new minis for them.

Vote Mushroom Men!

CrusherJoe

07-29-2009, 02:11 PM

Well Jim, you really have to ask yourself, how much variation can there really be -- within the existing framework, that is.

What usually intrigues me the most, and what I wish there was more of in the armies I play, is the ability to alter the existing framework.

Things that come to mind:

- A "build your own HQ SDK" -- instead of having to take a pre-made SC, how about a list of options with an associated points cost so you can only give your army the "special rules" that you want? Each advantage would probably require a disadvantage (If you take Advantage A, you also get Disadvantage B) to maintain some semblance of balance. I realize this is akin to the old SM traits system (which, BTW, was great except it didn't include any meaningful disadvantages).
- FOC modifiers -- these already exist but there are some instances where you have to take an overpriced HQ to get it. This should probably belong in the HQ SDK.
- Units with different movement rates. Infantry that move 12" instead of 6" (or 8", or any number X where X != 6). Every unit moving 6" seems intensely counter-intuitive to me.
- Different fire modes -- select "twin-linked" or "chain fire" (to use a term from the Mechwarrior video game). Honestly, I'd rather fire 4 las cannons from my Land Raider than 2 twin-linked ones. In fact the whole "twin-linked" paradigm is...well, it's always seemed a bit disengenuous to me ("Oh wow, 4 las cannons? That's great!" "No, it's really only 2.")

...that's just a couple of examples off the top of my head. Trust me, an army with a base move of 8" would play a LOT differently than one that moves 6". You'd have to balance it out somehow (probably lower T or S) but it could be done.

clkeagle

07-29-2009, 07:46 PM

I can see where you're coming from.

But would you say no to a properly done Lost and The Damned codex?
As I've said in a few of the blog comment threads, I can think of nothing that would be more useful to 40k. Chaos has such a wide influence over elements of mankind, yet all we can see (outside of the Vraks books) are marines and pure Daemons. For every Chaos Marine warband, there should be a hundred Chaos-worshipping mortal militias. One can make the argument that most of these are easily represented by the IG codex, but there is a lot of room for growth and variation. Sorcerors, daemonic summonings, daemon engines, beastmen, mutants... the list goes on and on.

If I was ever to take a stab at my own minidex, it would be Lost and the Damned.

Dosadi

07-30-2009, 07:12 AM

A lot of the army lists people seem to want these days are variations of existing lists and that's where I think Apocalypse really comes in.

People complained about the removal of proper daemons from the Chaos Marine codex. Personally I think it’s a brilliant move and helps direct the focus of the chaos marine list on well…chaos marines. The summoned daemons are there to provide a unique variation and their rules reflect their role in the army perfectly. I’ve played apocalypse games with chaos marines and proper daemons and it works out quite well. Especially when the Tally Man of Nurgle starts pumping up your Plague Marines!:eek:

As for Lost and the Damned; while I’d really like to see a army list for them as I feel they are probably the most common enemy in the Imperium. You can pretty much do that sort of army in Apocalypse. Take a Guard army, throw in the Lost and the Damned formation for your mutants and add some daemons and chaos marines form their respective codices.

“But Dosadi” you say “I don’t wanna play apocalypse all the time.”

Just because you are playing Apocalypse doesn’t mean you have go nuts and field 10,000 point armies complete with titans and superheavies. Some of the best Apocalypse games I’ve played were around the 3000 point mark (give or take a few hundred points on each side). We didn’t even use any strategic assets or play the apocalypse mission, but we fielded mixed forces of what we felt was appropriate.

Right now my Red Corsair army is getting a boost with the addition of some units from the Space marine codex to represent the fact that they have only gone renegade recently and so would have access to some of the newer toys. This army can be fielded on its own or combined with my Chaos Marine Red Corsair army for Apocalypse. Later, I plan on adding a few guard units and super heavies to represent the human serfs (space pirates!) in Huron's service. This way I don’t have to wait for GW to release Codex Red Corsairs.:p

I think I’ve strayed off topic enough for now.

To get back on track, I’d like the next “new” army to be AdMech and I feel very strongly that it will be so. But that will be after we get new Tyranid, Dark Eldar, Necron and about three new marine Codices first. Once that’s all taken care of lets hope GW has a solid vision for a LoTD army. But I see no pressing need for one ASAP.

Dosadi

RealGenius

07-30-2009, 08:57 AM

Well Jim, you really have to ask yourself, how much variation can there really be -- within the existing framework, that is.

- Different fire modes -- select "twin-linked" or "chain fire" (to use a term from the Mechwarrior video game). Honestly, I'd rather fire 4 las cannons from my Land Raider than 2 twin-linked ones. In fact the whole "twin-linked" paradigm is...well, it's always seemed a bit disengenuous to me ("Oh wow, 4 las cannons? That's great!" "No, it's really only 2.")

There can be plenty of variety. Heck, I'd like to see a T2 basic trooper with a 2+ save. Who cares if you insta-kill a one-wound model with your bolter. :)

You mean different firing modes like the Eldar Fire Prism? Or different firing options like the IG Medusa?

I'm not to sure about messing with twin-linked. Really, with a Marine army, would you ever not "chain fire"? Might as well get rid of twin-linked if do that. TL is there (I think) because 2 guns looks cooler than 1, but giving a LR 4 Las Cannons would be totally broken. :)

Big_D

07-31-2009, 11:42 AM

The 'new race' turned out to be Chaos Dwarfs for WHFB from what I have read in the Chicago Games Day posts.

Durfast Spiritwolf

07-31-2009, 11:48 AM

... then they could do the (sensible, IMHO) thing and for all the stuff that's common equipment just say, "See Codex: Space Marines" which would make future updates a LOT simpler, at least as far as wargear goes.

Agreed - that allowed C:SW to remain playable and reasonably up to date through three versions of C:SM

M3mph1s

07-31-2009, 11:50 AM

Well it needs to be said-

GW says that the IG list will be a completely plastic range very soon, much like the Warhammer Empire range is now, and they have also said they are going to be releasing Regiment-specific box sets.

All plastic + Regiment specific= plastic greatcoats anyone??

I mean now more than ever it actually seems like it will happen.

Oh and I want to see the older SM armor marks released so I can make some cheap Pre-Heresy armies.

Durfast Spiritwolf

07-31-2009, 11:53 AM

So basically cutting and pasting a bunch of existing things together. Yay?

Maybe you haven't seen the Mech list put together by the Tempus Fugitives team for the Horus Heresy Campaign at WHW - it's a long way from cutting and pasting existing ideas together...

DuskRaider

07-31-2009, 12:07 PM

I'd love to see the Chaos Legions happen. I can see it as a big event for GW with the release of X amount of codices (5? Who knows), new kits, tanks, etc. etc... But being as it would be a big event, they'd probably wait until at least 2011 to do so, sorry to say.

philbrad

07-31-2009, 12:37 PM

Not even going to get remotely excited about Codex: Legions until I get some firm word on its actually being worked on. However I expect 2010 to be a bit Tyranidy ... possibly even Necrony or Dark Eldarry

PhilB
:eek:

Wildeyedjester

07-31-2009, 12:39 PM

My crystal ball tells me to expect the Blood Angels after Tyranids. I fully think GW is going to milk its Space Marine line, and will attempt to release a Space Marine army each year for the duration of 5th.

What better way to turn a buck? Each new marine codex results in fresh sales for a line of plastics that are already selling like hot cakes. All that is necessary is a few odd and end models and changes. First Marines, Then Space Wolves, then Blood Angels.... following year would another chapter in the mix.

Student Teacher

07-31-2009, 12:53 PM

I just wish they could come out with more than just 2 a year. I'm sure it has to do with GW's economics, but I guy can wish can't he?

Darchangel

07-31-2009, 01:19 PM

With regards to the Bloody boys (and all other chapter codices)--I have to think they need more distinguishing. The fact is, these chapters are supposed to be Different. If they're the same, why not just buy a space marine codex and cobble a text file of the differences together. A few special characters, three unique units and a shuffled force organization chart, to me at least, does not a codex make. If you're going to do them (and I can't wait until you do--sons of Sanguinius unite, and all that..) run in the other direction with them: Totally different. Give us a whole book of new units, slice our options from the main book and give us army special rules. Make it really a unique experience playing a Blood Angels army or a Dark Angels army. Could you imagine something like a 'lone wolf' Vampire!? Rock on!

Just saying.

With regards to an Ad Mech army, there is nothing wrong with that. Ideas I've had--give them all kinds of weapons the guardsmen have never heard of (keeping them secret and safe from prying eyes). Just some ideas:

-BS4, WS2 Skitarii, Assault 3 12" weapons.. Heavy weapons, no special weapons, mounted on treads and can move with S&P rule. 4+ save/6+Inv. Leaders can get harnesses! (expensive)
-combat troops S4 T3, two weapons, cheap
-elite combat troops with servo arms! (and better saves)
-All kinds of walkers---most with move through cover, mounting different weapons.
-Astromancer-style HQ choice that directs bombardments in the shooting phase

I've had it in my mind to write the codex.. these are just what I remember off the top of my head. But they aren't guard--they can be unique and cool. And with the plastics they can do these days, it's awfully doable, and I can't imagine a world where a billion G-Dub sculptors are not chomping at the bit to do it.

Oldgrue

07-31-2009, 01:24 PM

Woohoo!! First Green Marines, then Blue Marines (and most other colors!), and ...oh wait...
I just wish M&Ms colors got released the same way.

Vepr

07-31-2009, 01:33 PM

After Space Wolves and Blood Angels are released I wonder if we will be back to the days of no one playing vanilla marines? Anyways woot for Tyranids. I know we do not need it the most but as a horde nid player I am looking forward to the new dex. :)

wash-away

07-31-2009, 01:34 PM

Big Jim

07-31-2009, 02:11 PM

All I can say is bring on the new Nid dex, so I can finally have a reason to paint the pile of plastic I have sitting here.

Andrew283

07-31-2009, 02:22 PM

Yassss Nids.

kanisX

07-31-2009, 02:46 PM

I still have my Angels of Death book which had both chapters in one and I love that book still, even if it has way outdated painting styles and models:)

kanisX

07-31-2009, 02:48 PM

All I can say is bring on the new Nid dex, so I can finally have a reason to paint the pile of plastic I have sitting here.

I would love just to have a new Nids book so I have an excuse to start a 4th army. hahaha I'm addicted to plastic.

Arschbombe

07-31-2009, 02:57 PM

I thought some of this stuff was addresses at the latest GD. GW definitively said no new race and that the divergent SM chapters are getting done because they require a lot less work than other codices do because the SM codices build off of the frame of the 5th ed SM dex.

Aristus

07-31-2009, 04:47 PM

Oh please give me a new WH-codex or atleast plastic battle sisters =(

Asymmetrical Xeno

07-31-2009, 05:11 PM

I'd really appreciate new races, the current armies are just so painfully boring now - I know them all to death and im just bored of them after 5 editions. Instead, I prefer stick to facing my friends armies as they usually use bitz/converting and make up counts-as "new" races which are far more satisfying to look at and face than the same-old stuff, they could do well with fixing this by getting Forge World to do new xeno races.

I dont believe having GW as the main company should add new races though, they have a hard enough trouble with the current ones. FW would be perfect however, especially if I can stop using "counts as" for my Enslavers and actually play them how I would like to. Give me the Hrud/Umbra, Barghesi and other stuff too please :D

Purge the Heretic

07-31-2009, 05:51 PM

I'd like to preface by saying that the update schedule needs to be faster for the existing armies, fluff and codex and mini ranges need to be updated faster with each new edition, so that those who play one specific army will buy more stuff, hopefully with GW's new focus on making money and getting out of debt, this will become a reality.

Second, plastic sisters are what I really want, GW feels that the plastic quality is there now, and...with the detail of the AOBR captain, I would agree, though I'd want more pieces than 2 for my sisters.

Lastly, adeptus mechanicus would be a very different army from a mere mixture of imperial guard and SM,

servitors and a tech priest as troops? ...thats a lot of heavy weapons as a troops squad, but fluffy, points cost I dunno.

Swarms of servo skulls with digital lasers?

Mini titans, bigger than a dreadnaught, smaller than a land raider?

A squad of cyborg assault troops....maybe all with servo harness? HS squad with 2x conversion beamer? the adeptus did design it after all.

I see the adeptus mechanicus as an even more elite army than the space marines, in that they would have fewer models, a few big punishing machines behind a screen of servitors and servo skulls, with a few tech priests around to keep everything working.

Will they come anytime soon, probably not.

Existing armies need to take priority, many people, myself included are stuck waiting on updates for "their army" spending money on non wargaming products, or even looking into other companies, like privateer press.

My religious fanatics from that company seem to keep rolling out of their menonite molds =).

LORD IRON BALLS

07-31-2009, 06:14 PM

I can't wait to see a new tyranid dex!

adeptus mechanicus would be great too! new flavor for an army is much needed!

shabbadoo

07-31-2009, 06:34 PM

Some of the other forums are saying there might be a Blood Angel/Dark Angel/Templar redux at roughly the same time, but that would be quite unprecedented.

Well, not quite. There was the Angels of Death codex for 2e which covered both Dark Angels and Blood Angels. It would be nice to see that again. I'm all for GW lumping as many similar variant armies into a single book as they can, seeing as it leaves release slots open for more NON-Space Marine codices. That's always a good thing, as Imperial forces do of course need updated *enemies* to kill too. :D

Tengoku

07-31-2009, 06:35 PM

Lord Inquisitor

07-31-2009, 06:46 PM

I don't know if I'd go that far. The armies that are in most desperate needs of updating really aren't on the shelves. When was the last time you saw Dark Eldar on a shelf somewhere? I'm going to guess it's been a while (while that may sound snarky, it wasn't meant to be, only illustrating a point).
I was told by my old store that no one stocks Dark Eldar anymore and that you can only get them through the website.

In fact, with the release of Codex: IG, GW is pretty well caught up with mainstream armies that really, REALLY needed an update. Really the only other one left that is in DIRE need of an update is Codex: SW and that's next up. After that, they should be able to cherry-pick codex updates.
I sure hope they don't cherry-pick after Codex: SW because Necrons, Dark Eldar, and the Inquisiton Codexes are in need of updates badly.

As for Dark Eldar: OK, this is going to sound callous, cold and vicious...but who cares? All 100 people still left playing them, I'm sure, but they're definitely a very, very rare sight these days. By my way of thinking, the only way to get the attention of the average 40K gamer with a new DE book and model line is to make the model line really, REALLY nice...and then make the codex almost-pornographic in its power level. I would say, "Nah, they'll never do that," but then I look at Codex: Orks...and know they would.
Yeah no one plays them anymore because their model line sucks. I'm sure their rules need a huge updating. And I've been dying to do Dark Eldar for years but wont do it because their models suck and I'm sure their rules are to out of date.
I hope those quotes work right, if not those where from CrusherJoe. I also didn't read anything else after this message because I had to talk about it.

Purge the Heretic

07-31-2009, 07:20 PM

DE were pulled off shelves for a bit, but are back on, last I knew, I know my FLGS got in a raider.

oni

07-31-2009, 08:33 PM

Are Tyranids gatting completely reworked or just a new codex... What's going on with them?

Lerra

07-31-2009, 09:09 PM

Any rumors on the second wave of Chaos Daemons? I know it got postponed, but I haven't heard a peep in a long time, and I'm just hoping it wasn't cancelled.

Plastic Daemons and plastic Sisters of Battle would make me a very happy customer :)

Drunkencorgimaster

07-31-2009, 09:19 PM

I can see where you're coming from.

But would you say no to a properly done Lost and The Damned codex?

Yes, I would love to see a new L&D codex. Especially if they include plague zombies. I have 60 of the damn things sitting on my shelf waiting to come back. Some of them are the funniest models I own. We've even named a few ("Bloody Bill," "Crunchy," "Grabby," etc.)

-Oh, I also vote "no" on the 'nid codex. It seems like I just forked out $25 for the last one and my impression is that there is still plenty of meat left on the bone for a well-played bug army.

Lord Anubis

07-31-2009, 09:24 PM

I would love to see three Chaos codexes (codexi?)...

Lost and the Damned -- Pretty much just what the current CSM codex is... just maybe with a bit less suck. L & D is a much more generic army/ warband of Marines or Guardsmen that have recently gone over to Chaos. Look at it as tactical squads with traitor guardsmen instead of scouts. Maybe some mutants, too.

Daemons -- For the straight demonic incursion. Just finish the #*@%ing model line so Tzeentch and Nurgle armies don't cost (financially) twice as much as Khorne and Slaneesh.

Traitor Legions -- Thing is, the original Legions should be more powerful and specialized than a recent turned-to-Chaos army. It's kind of silly that an army of Thousand Sons led by Ahriman can't summon a Pink Horror. It's odd to have the Alpha Legion and the Iron Warriors acting exactly the same on the battlefield.

That's my perfect world, anyway. If the Loyalist Marines can get... what, four or five codexes, it'd be nice to see Chaos as a whole just get three. :)

N-Bomb

07-31-2009, 09:27 PM

'nids sounds like it'd probably be more of an update on figures and such (although I haven't heard much complaints of stuff not being available) because they are not a huge seller nor are they not 5th edition friendly.
The daemons I've been wondering about too because I know for the majority of the first half of '09 people were saying in the summer, then Planetstrike moved it to late 2009 early 2010 but since I haven't heard a word or even seen it mentioned in the rumor mill.
As to an earlier post about Dark Eldar being behind Necron, if I had to guess its because Dark Eldar can still be competitive and not majorly confusing (and still fairly diverse in options and unit choices), just needs a little shine and reworked models, and Necrons, although they can compete the Phase Out rule is no longer helping balance them and for troops and HQ they are about as diverse as a klan meeting

and the word if codices

Asymmetrical Xeno

08-01-2009, 10:20 AM

I think the problem with the speculation on a new 40K race is that the back story is so unfriendly to anything new. Look at the introduction of the Tau. Only saved from complete destruction by the Imperium's armies by the introduction of an oddly convenient Tyranid fleet. In other words, they've written themselves into a corner. Any new races/armies can only exist with the following circumstances;

1) They must be powerful enough to take on the Imperium or,
2) They must be more powerful than the Imperium or,
3) They must have a set of very convenient and lucky breaks that keeps the Imperium off them or,
4) They are part of the Imperium and Famous, or were barely mentioned in a tiny fluff piece about the Blood Angels in White Dwarf back in 1993.

The perfect examples of these are 1-Chaos, 2-Tyranids, 3-Tau, and 4- any Imperial/Space Marine Army. Each of these armies were introduced in their new or new and improved versions in one of the following manners. Number four is a joke, but only slightly. To be honest, there isn't room for a new, a really new and unique army/race without upsetting the current fluff history of the 40K universe. I would think that GW would have to follow through with the hinted-at fall of the Imperium in order for there to really be room for a new race/army. Otherwise, could any one really believe that "they" were there the whole time and never mentioned or noticed? Oh, right. NECRONS. How could one forget those guys?

Of course, GW could get ginned up one night and retcon the last edition to make room, but we all know they wouldn't do that. ;)

What about..you know all the dozens of established minor-races...theres already enough "Great" threats in 40k, but it would be refreshing to see the minor ones fleshed out/given ranges (from FW)....like...

Q'orl - have an empire the equivilent size of the Tau.

Hrud/Umbra - have had fluff and tidbits since rogue-trader, their latest has "ageing" field type weapons effect an imperial guard regiment in Planetstrike.

More isolated races like : Barghesi, whatever lives in the Ghoul stars, Cell-Kim ect...would been to be retconned ot escape their "isolated" areas I guess.

Enslavers - We'ere still around dammit! :mad:

...wheather any of these would sell is another question, but it wouldnt effect the backround one bit to add them. The galaxy is a HUGE place you forget.

Arhurt

08-01-2009, 12:01 PM

Oh I really want them to release a Necron Codex as soon as possible. Not only we need the help after 5th ed. cut a lot of our power, but there is so much room for expansion rules-wise and fluff-wise.

helvexis

08-02-2009, 05:41 AM

i play dark eldar and yes the models for the most part suck giant hairy ones but saying that they rape pillage and burn everything that comes near them ... sure we have maybe half of the codex is redundant/useless but the other half is scary i had to stop playing at the store in my town because most of the people refused to play my dark eldar

i know a few people who only dont play dark eldar cause there models suck(which is true) and others who play for fluff and dark eldar has very little would be nice to see a codex that isnt oo look we're slightly chaos worshiping eldar but thats just me although chaos eldar would be funny but thats not what deldar are.

ive only been playing 6 or so months so im a newbie but i really would like to see updates before new races and especially the older codexes before newer ones or races that got seriously gimped by 5th ed.

Bung

08-02-2009, 06:57 AM

It would be pretty nice if GW would release DA/BT and BA at the same time.

DA and BT just need a nwe Dex, the upgrade Sprues are already done and will not get changed in the next few years.

So the only thing they have to do is to create an upgrade sprue for all the left alone Blood Angels.

They would do all really happy if that happens but i wouldnt wager on that.

After all its GW we are talking about :p

Dosadi

08-02-2009, 08:41 AM

i know a few people who only dont play dark eldar cause there models suck(which is true) and others who play for fluff and dark eldar has very little would be nice to see a codex that isnt oo look we're slightly chaos worshiping eldar but thats just me although chaos eldar would be funny but thats not what deldar are.

Good things come to those who wait. As a long time eldar player and dark eldar dabbler, I’m pretty stoked that the new codex is at the very least, on the horizon. And when they do come out...woa man, are they gonna be sweet! I trust in Jes Goodwin. He has never let me down as a conceptualist and a sculptor. Anyone that has had the chance to speak to him knows his passion for all things “space elf” and if even a micron of that passion gets transferred into the new model range, I think we are going to see a lot of new Dark Eldar players in 2010.

It’s been a long wait, but I’m positive the payoff is going to worth it.

It would be pretty nice if GW would release DA/BT and BA at the same time.

DA and BT just need a nwe Dex, the upgrade Sprues are already done and will not get changed in the next few years.

So the only thing they have to do is to create an upgrade sprue for all the left alone Blood Angels.

The problem with that idea is the business model GW follows uses a new codex/army book to drive sales of a model range. So releasing a new Codex for DA and BT wouldn’t really serve that purpose unless there were some pretty sweet new kits to accompany it.

I would speculate we will see a new plastic Deathwing box, perhaps a plastic Terminator Captain/Master or plastic Librarian. For the BT plastic sword brethren and (my personal favourite idea) a plastic neophyte box (more scouts!) and a plastic Chaplain kit. That right there would be sufficient “new stuff” to build a bit more excitement into the re-release of those two armies.

Dosadi

Bung

08-02-2009, 09:35 AM

Or they could easily re-release the BT and DA Boxes from the last releases.

But i dont think there will be plastic kits for chaplains or librarians, not in the nesxt few years but a BA sprue is very possible ti fit the range.

But we will all see clear when its released :D

BuFFo

08-02-2009, 11:53 AM

Odd about those rumors.

From what I have read around the net, the Dark Edlar already have their new models done or almost done, but nothing is in the works for nids or necrons yet.

Oh well. If DE get delayed again, no skin off my back. Nothing I am not used to :)

Andrew283

08-02-2009, 12:00 PM

I love the nids plastic models so I only really want the rules redone. The metal models however are a joke. £35 for a hive tyrant which is basically a rubbish carnifex

TheKingElessar

08-02-2009, 12:24 PM

I would hate to see another Dex say "See other Codex: whatever for rules" - this is what makes the Wolves stupidly OP atm. Being good on the strength of your own Dex, great. Being good because you can take 90% of another Codex, cherry-picking the best bits and supplementing it with your own stuff? No thanks.

Mindless-Focus

08-02-2009, 01:09 PM

all i really want is the DE dex... delay whatever else you want.

BuFFo

08-02-2009, 01:48 PM

I personally love the current DE dex.

The longer the wait, the better for me. I think it is one of GW's best dexes ever in terms of 'army feel' and 'game balance'.

Mindless-Focus

08-02-2009, 02:38 PM

i do concur wholeheartedly but the models suck moose balls. the only ones i like is the Archon and Urien. The rest are no bueno...

helvexis

08-03-2009, 01:58 AM

i like the incubi models and archon but yeah not alot else...
and i agree that the codex is great it really is but it kind of leaves limited units you can take like you would never use helions for any reason the same applies but to a lesser extent mandrakes and scourge(i actually like scourge and they ussually do something good) all that really needs to be done is update a few of the rules for different units and i suppose update the rules that are kinda cheap like the invulnerable save our bikes get for turboboosting.

anyway thats way off topic new darkangels would be good but awould need a box or 2 of something to release with it before bringing out the new dex

and yes i heard jes was doing the models and is about happy with what hes done so if we're lucky early next yr... doubt we'll be lucky though

shabbadoo

08-03-2009, 04:43 AM

Everything Jes touches turns to gold. Come the release of the Dark Eldar, people with cash flow problems will be selling their organs, or that extra child they hadn't planned on having, to get them. :D

Rogue Trader

08-03-2009, 01:42 PM

What I wouldnt give for a new Nid dex... only because my friend needs help on playing a decent nid army and a new dex might help get him away from the bad armies he is playing now.
The BA one would be cool too. I love the idea of an army made entirely of Drunks with Jetpacks :P

Havik110

08-03-2009, 02:00 PM

Our sources say look for:

-Tyranids
-Blood Angels

Early in the year. Not sure of the order. The usual suspects of Necrons and Dark Eldar are also in the rumor mix, with Necrons getting more talk for an earlier slot than the Dark Eldar.

All 10 of the dark eldar players and I are going to rush GW headquarters...we are begining to become pissed...

I for a fact (don't think my source would have any reason to lie) know that at least the warriors, Basic lords, incubi, wyches, raiders, and mandrakes and their champion are done. I am really looking forward to them in 2010 but if they make me wait til january 1, 2011 i will quit...

Slaanesh

08-03-2009, 02:54 PM

All 10 of the dark eldar players and I are going to rush GW headquarters...we are begining to become pissed...

I for a fact (don't think my source would have any reason to lie) know that at least the warriors, Basic lords, incubi, wyches, raiders, and mandrakes and their champion are done. I am really looking forward to them in 2010 but if they make me wait til january 1, 2011 i will quit...

Then i hope you enjoyed playing :p

I am hoping they redo the necron codex first, i mean come on.......

A HUGE BLUNT

08-03-2009, 04:22 PM

DE will be released right after 3d Realms finishes Duke Nukem Forever :D

The Undying

08-03-2009, 05:16 PM

DE will be released right after 3d Realms finishes Duke Nukem Forever :D

That same year the Cubs will win the world series, The New Squats will be announced, People will stop hating GW on the Internet and Gorillas will become the dominant species on earth. :p

FrankDenial

08-03-2009, 07:45 PM

I still have my Angels of Death book which had both chapters in one and I love that book still, even if it has way outdated painting styles and models:)

I think there maybe a revisit to 'Angels of Death' as well, taking both Dark Angels and Blood Angels (and successor chapters) all in the one book. In fact I think its a great idea personally.

Inquisitor Lord Haestus

08-04-2009, 12:51 AM

It would be cyborgs with hot las and walkers with battle cannons. That's not nearly as boring.

Shades of Adeptus Mechanicus...

Inquisitor Lord Haestus

08-04-2009, 12:54 AM

I don't know if anyone mentioned the Inquisition Codices, I would like to see them updated in the near future. I understand they will be combining all 3 'factions' Ordo Hereticus, Ordo Malleus and Ordo Xenos into one title. Can't wait...

BuFFo

08-04-2009, 01:10 AM

As a Dark Eldar player, even I can admit Necrons need an update before my army does.

Havik110

08-04-2009, 06:25 AM

Necrons need to be fixxed 1st buffo? hmm lets see, S4, t4 or 5, 3 sv, feel no pain (if the drop the fluff), slow but purposeful, sounds a lot like plague marines...

FaithandFire

08-04-2009, 06:32 AM

I, too, wonder where the Inquisition stands in terms of a new codex.

Dosadi

08-04-2009, 06:53 AM

I, too, wonder where the Inquisition stands in terms of a new codex.

I speculate that early 2011 would be the soonest we will see that.

Dosadi

Havik110

08-04-2009, 09:26 AM

I speculate that early 2011 would be the soonest we will see that.

Dosadi

I hope so...They didn't get a spot in the Rule Book...They didn't get a Strat-(not the grey knights or the sisters)in planet strike...The sisters don't have any type of formation in apoch...

I'm worried for them.

The Plastic Surgeon

08-04-2009, 12:27 PM

SOB have really been given the shaft along with Inquisition armies in general. I mean they're really nice allies to have or as a specfialist army but I think that they need to work more like an Eldar army in their specialisation with more troop types.

Things I want to see released non-codex wise:
- Warhound Titan
- Thunderhawk

In plastic of course! That Ork Stompla is very very lonely not having an Imperial Titan to go toe to toe with!

RealGenius

08-04-2009, 01:17 PM

Things I want to see released non-codex wise:
- Warhound Titan
- Thunderhawk

In plastic of course! That Ork Stompla is very very lonely not having an Imperial Titan to go toe to toe with!

I'd rather see some new army get a plastic Apoc toy, like an Eldar flyer/titan, big Nid beast, Tau something or even a Chaosy whatnot.

The Imperials and all their Baneblade variants need someone to fight after all.

zariel

08-04-2009, 01:37 PM

eldar titan.... would love to see this one in plastic. not to mention something for the `nids or even an imperial titan. i for myself would prefer chaos titans but don´t think this will happen in time.

Lord Inquisitor

08-04-2009, 03:17 PM

The Eldar Titans would be a pretty tough sprue. Because they're so skinny and have all of the curved pieces. I mean the Forgeworld one is solid resin but think of what those pieces would like if the were hollow, plastic, and you had to put them together. It would be cool though.

Lord Anubis

08-04-2009, 05:12 PM

Really, though, if they did a Warhound titan it wouldn't be much work to go from that to a Chaos titan.

So once they figure out the model, it's something big and apocalyptic for IG, Marines, Chaos, and Inquisition. It's probably one of their best choices as far as a "multi-purpose" model goes.

Bagration

08-06-2009, 05:41 AM

Some of the other forums are saying there might be a Blood Angel/Dark Angel/Templar redux at roughtly the same time, but that would be quite unprecedented.

Unprecedented is one word for it I suppose. From a fluff point of view that would be two founding chapters and a second founding in the one book (so a bit mis-aligned).

I can't see the Templar codex being touched anytime soon (for any other reason than the...um...erratic planning GW seemingly does around their codexes. Given that the DA have a very recent (in relative terms) codex - I would wager that the Blood Angels would be the next logical SM 'dex to be done.

Vulkan He'stan

08-09-2009, 04:53 PM

cant wait to look though the new nids codex

Norseman

08-12-2009, 08:31 AM

Any news for Necrons?

the_killer23

08-12-2009, 01:01 PM

Skragger

09-01-2009, 04:59 PM

What I think a lot of people forget is that GW is a business, and in order for our hobby to survive, that business needs to make money. Lots of it. Especially in this economic downtime we're in.

Although I would be more than happy to see a new DE codex get released, as a business option its not too bright. It'd be like releasing Space Hulk as a limited edition ru- oh yeah..

What GW needs to focus on right now is getting the more popular armies updated fully and running. And next on their list really should be 'Crons. When they came out in 4th ed there was a huge rush to buy them, the elusive ancient models finally got some real love and came out in full glory. However now that 5th ed has effectively neutered them, no one wants to play them and are shelving their armies and not purchasing more lads.

Were GW to come out with a nice, competent, 5th ed competitive codex for them I feel that from a business stand point it would put them in a much stronger position monetarily-wise to THEN go back and add onto the armies that direly need the love like the DE.

What I dont understand is how people dont realize how expensive it is to produce models, the sculpt, the moulds (which are ridiculously expensive), packaging designs, codex writing (including fluff and art). This all adds up to a huge sum of money. GW is focusing on that which it knows will turn that huge expense into huge profit (i.e marines) and THEN make the stuff that wont bring in as much shiney.

For the future of our hobby its for the best

Voxnovanion

09-01-2009, 05:04 PM

...speaking of things your sources say, has there been any movement on that rumor about a "new race" that made the rounds a while back?

I would love to see a new race that wasn't (a.) a bug, (b.) an elf, or (c.) a dwarf. In fact, a race that doesn't have a parallel to a race in WFB would be pretty cool, I think...though I'll bet that simply won't happen.

The new race has been almost certainly confirmed as Chaos Dwarves, so it's for Fantasy, not 40K, unfortunately.
And tyranids don't have an equivalent to WHFB, do they?

I would personally love to see an Inquisition redux (Witch hunters/Daemon hunters/Alien hunters all in one book and brought up to date with other Imperial codices), but I guess that will not happen in 2010...

Gonewild

09-01-2009, 06:43 PM

What happened to Dwarf and Chaos Dwarf that existed in the late 80s/ early 90s? I recently returned to WH40k after a LONG hiatus and was stunned to discover that squats are in short supply!

Anyway, I'd like to see more Blood Angels fluff at least.

Linkdead

09-01-2009, 06:53 PM

The new Chaos Dwarves are going to be released strictly by the new Forgeworld Fantasy sister company.

Guta

09-01-2009, 07:14 PM

i just dont feel confident that gw has the mental capacity to figure any of this stuff out. what is obvious to the masses seems to be confusing and mentally above gw.

biteymcrunrun

09-01-2009, 07:37 PM

Gunzhard

09-01-2009, 07:43 PM

Our sources say look for:

-Tyranids
-Blood Angels

Early in the year. Not sure of the order. The usual suspects of Necrons and Dark Eldar are also in the rumor mix, with Necrons getting more talk for an earlier slot than the Dark Eldar.

Sweet! ...both my two armies. Admittedly, I am perfectly content with the current dexes but - F$%# yeaH!!!

terricon4

09-01-2009, 09:07 PM

Glad for the blood angles, they are one of m favorite chapters. The folks at GW have been hinting too them for awhile so I hope all turns out well.

DarkLink

09-01-2009, 10:24 PM

i think that a blood angel/ dark angel/ black templar codex would be a great idea, as whenever a new space marine codex comes out, all the people who play the other chapters complain like crazy, and reducing the number of space marine codexs from 5 to three would help balance greatly

I though of a way to fit at least the blood angels and dark angels in to the standard SM dex, as they share most of the same units. Essentially you would pick a chapter (or do a counts as chapter). This would determine your version of Chapter Tactics, and modify the standard army list, as well as unlocking that chapter's special characters.

So, for example, you might pick Dark Angels. Then, your chapter tactics would be Stubborn, you could take bikes and terminators as troops, and have access to Mortis Dreadnoughts and the special characters (just an example, so don't complain about me not mentioning scoring landspeeders or something).

You could fit the rules for this in a 2-4 pages per chapter, and provide a lot of flexibility in picking the chapter of your choice. It would be tough to include Space Wolves and Black Templar (though I think BT's could be included, albeit with more complicated rules than some other chapters), but it would condense the SM codecies into one or three books. This also has the side benifit of Dark Angels and Blood Angels players not having to complain about not getting 3+ storm shields and such when the vanilla marine 'dex gets updated more frequently than the divergent chapter's codecies.

Dark_Templar

09-01-2009, 11:10 PM

DE were pulled off shelves for a bit, but are back on, last I knew, I know my FLGS got in a raider.

On purpose? Did they maybe mean to order a LAND Raider? :D

Anywho, I want Barghesi as a new race, but really want to see Nids, Necrons, DE & Inq all get some love. As far as I am concerned, GW either needs to show that they support the consumers who supported GW and purchased these models, or write them out altogether, because leaving people in limbo really isnt fair.

I am a Black Templars player, used to be Blood Angels years ago and I would be more than happy for BA/DA/BT all to be rolled into one. The first 10 pages of a codex all babble on about the bloody emperor and how great he was and all that crap. You then just need 50 pages per dex. Just cut the crap, have some awesome fluff and brilliantly condensed info and the end result would not be that much bigger than the C:SM book and would be serving a massive market in one hit.

I do agree that some new goodies would need to be released for all, but not a huge amoung, just something to get excited over, and all three could be put against a 6000 point apoc nid horde in a WD battle report.

Thoughts?

Hokiecow

09-02-2009, 08:36 AM

Why does Necrons keep getting brought up as a potential release in 2010 instead of Tau. Like Nids, we have seen new models for Tau but nothing for Necrons. It seems like Necrons need more of a fluff update then Tau would so GW should be able to spit it out much faster.

wiz

09-02-2009, 08:58 AM

Blood Angels would be very nice !

with the new models available in Space Hulk I'm really considering starting a blood angels army ...

Zaklifean

09-02-2009, 09:33 AM

Ok, so I may get some gasps out of this, shoot I may even be dragged out and beaten, but hear me out. The new race should be........squats! I know I know, crazy, but now is a fantastic time to bring the squats back. Can you imagine the land train possibilities for Apoc? How about the defensive abilities for Planetstrike? I was out of the hobby when they took the squats out, and came back after they were gone, so I really dont know the reason they took them out. My squats are currently part of my IG army, but man, I would love to have a reason to bust out my exo-armored boys hehe.

WereWolf_nr

09-02-2009, 11:11 AM

Our sources say look for:

-Tyranids
-Blood Angels

Early in the year. Not sure of the order. The usual suspects of Necrons and Dark Eldar are also in the rumor mix, with Necrons getting more talk for an earlier slot than the Dark Eldar.

I can't help but wonder if we won't see 1 or 2 "combo" codexes. Ones that have multiple armies described in them. A la "Angels of Death" Codex from years ago.

timbo101

09-02-2009, 11:33 AM

MaidenManiac

09-02-2009, 01:47 PM

Regarding the mentioned "new race" its for Fantasy, and actually not very new. Chaos Dwarfs be the name but this time they might actually get a full fledged Armybook:cool:

What happened to Dwarf and Chaos Dwarf that existed in the late 80s/ early 90s? I recently returned to WH40k after a LONG hiatus and was stunned to discover that squats are in short supply!

The Squats homeplanets (Dioscis Theta) were invaded and consumed by Hive Fleet Leviathan. Thus them space stunties were extinct:(
Their evil kin still exist, but havent been mentioned in ages, aka "if we dont do sh!t with them for a few decades folks forget". In theory you could make a Chaos Squat Marines army I suppose...

Our sources say look for:

-Tyranids
-Blood Angels

This is an extremely predictable follow up on the Space Hulk Release, and imho a decent spin off way to make a bit more money still of the Space Hulk release;)

I would, together with many others, like to see a combined book for certain chapters/legions. Most of all tbh to increase the speed that GW puts out new armybooks/codices. Another version would perhaps be to release 2 codices the same month(like BA and DA) with upgrade sprues and some specific units for them. I believe that GW see the latter as "heresy and moneyloss" though so I doubt thatll ever happen. This leaves the good old "Slaves to Darkness", "The Lost and the Damned", "Angels of Death" layout which still would be very viable. Sadly I think that model is crushed under the current design team mantra "one book, one race, one army":eek:

Katie Drake

09-02-2009, 10:32 PM

DE were pulled off shelves for a bit, but are back on, last I knew, I know my FLGS got in a raider.

One Raider? One whole Raider?

Clearly this is a sign that the Dark Eldar are making a comeback! :p

Dvastator

09-02-2009, 10:40 PM

TheBitzBarn

09-03-2009, 09:16 AM

Squats are DEAD they have said this Over a DOZEN times

Instead lets update the Necrons, Daemonhunter, Witchhunters, Dark Eldar and then Tau Taus book is not that Old so Take the Tau and go wish for the Greater good

Lets not forget Fantasy as the Beast of Chaos are coming out along with Bretonnians or Orges getting new Army book

Whitehorn

09-03-2009, 09:57 AM

Lets not forget Fantasy as the Beast of Chaos are coming out along with Bretonnians or Orges getting new Army book

Yeah, what happened to BoC for Q4 2009? :confused:

volrath8754

09-03-2009, 10:12 AM

Well I don't know if it has always been this way but 3 army books a year for 40K is a damn good rate! now if they can just keep up the pace every one should have a new codex every 4 years!

M'yen'shi

09-03-2009, 10:16 AM

I'm really curious what they do with Tyranids. Every codex seems to bring some rather interesting varieties of bugs to the table. How effective they end up being is, of course, another matter entirely...

rsheridan5

09-03-2009, 12:01 PM

Triple Threat

09-03-2009, 12:43 PM

I would like it much more if GW came out with 4 codexes for the four chaos gods, making a codex for World Eaters, Death Guard, Thosand Sons, and Emporer's Children. Also, they could make the new chaos codex (still black legion like now--which is kind of equivalent to Ultramarines) including the other chapters using a similar method to the marine codex.

Drew da Destroya

09-03-2009, 03:48 PM

Is there any word on GW ever getting away from the big four (Ultramarines, Space Wolves, Blood Angels, Dark Angels), and creating a codex for some of the other chapters. Maybe even some models for them too?
I know that with thousands of chapters out there they can't do them all, but at least the first 9 loyalist chapters would be a welcome addition.

This is a little misleading, in my opinion.

I'd say that the current Vanilla 'dex can cover Ultrasmurfs, Imperial Fists, and Salamanders pretty easily already. There's a Raven Guard character (Shrike) in there, too, but I have different ideas for the Ravens. Iron Hands might work here, too, although the Iron Fathers make things difficult. The White Scars are pretty easily shown as well, since you don't even need the special character to make a full-biker army.

Space Wolves will obviously cover themselves, and might fit the Iron Hands as well. Not totally sure, since I don't know as much about the Hands, but the Wolf Priest might make a decent Iron Father (although still missing the Techmarine part).

Blood Angels could also be used to show the Raven Guard... with the Death Company representing those Marines who's genes have totally devolved into raving beasts due to Corax's genetic tampering.

Really, the only original Legion that can't be well-represented are the Iron Hands, who you'd have to do with half-measures.

I agree that Models would be sweet, though! The shoulderpad bitz packs help a little bit, but a full conversion kit would be much, much better!

trjames

09-03-2009, 10:41 PM

really, the only original legion that can't be well-represented are the iron hands, who you'd have to do with half-measures.

I want relictors! Maybe included in the Deamonhunters codex under radical inquisitors, or maybe in the space marines codex (or as a PDF that says "use in conjunction with the space marines codex") heck I'd even be willing to pay, say $5.00 for a DRM'd PDF download from gw.com.

Jawaballs

09-04-2009, 07:41 AM

Duke

09-04-2009, 09:11 AM

@ Crusher Joe:

I agree, it would be way easier and we wouldn't have things like "haha, your screwed with the old Storm Shield and for some reason your STC Landraider cant hold as many troops as my STC landraider can."

they did this back in 3rd ed and it seemed fine (plus it probably sold more SM codicies)

Duke

trjames

09-04-2009, 07:42 PM

Not realy - they did it before with the 2nd Ed Angels of death codex.

First Games Workshop product I ever bought...

2wierd

09-04-2009, 08:06 PM

Space Wolves will obviously cover themselves, and might fit the Iron Hands as well. Not totally sure, since I don't know as much about the Hands, but the Wolf Priest might make a decent Iron Father (although still missing the Techmarine part).

I have no idea about Iron Fathers, but we Wolves do have an Iron Priest - might be a little closer for you than a Wolf Priest. Iron Priests are basically our techmarines with a twist...and a thunderhammer. :D They fall under elites - but bare in mind all this is 3rd ed info, and our new 'dex is around the corner.

MetalStorm4786

09-06-2009, 09:46 PM

Is there any word on GW ever getting away from the big four (Ultramarines, Space Wolves, Blood Angels, Dark Angels), and creating a codex for some of the other chapters. Maybe even some models for them too?
I know that with thousands of chapters out there they can't do them all, but at least the first 9 loyalist chapters would be a welcome addition.

For the Non-Space Marine players, it's really annoying to see so many marine varients getting updates before other races. Marines were the first ones to get a 5th Edition Codex, and now Space Wolves and Blood Angels are due out before some of the Codices that are almost a decade old.

I know Space Marines are GW's cash cow, but when Marines get a new generic codex, all of the chapters use it so it's like they just got an update too. I really hope to see all 40k races updated to 5th before they due any more "sub" races. I play Necrons, so any time a 5th edition codex comes out, it's like, great, theres another army I won't be able to beat, lol. I can barely beat Blood Angels right now, I'm sure I won't stand a chance after the update.

cyberakuma

09-08-2009, 06:20 AM

For the Non-Space Marine players, it's really annoying to see so many marine varients getting updates before other races. Marines were the first ones to get a 5th Edition Codex, and now Space Wolves and Blood Angels are due out before some of the Codices that are almost a decade old.

I know Space Marines are GW's cash cow, but when Marines get a new generic codex, all of the chapters use it so it's like they just got an update too. I really hope to see all 40k races updated to 5th before they due any more "sub" races. I play Necrons, so any time a 5th edition codex comes out, it's like, great, theres another army I won't be able to beat, lol. I can barely beat Blood Angels right now, I'm sure I won't stand a chance after the update.

yep it sucks balls i'm still waiting on an inquisition codex...there's even space marines in it and they still get no love

Dosadi

09-08-2009, 09:40 AM

For the Non-Space Marine players.

There are non-Space Marine 40k players?;)

Dosadi

Bigred

09-08-2009, 10:23 AM

Now that's just mean :)

PedroKantor

09-08-2009, 12:40 PM

I honestly would love to see a combi Mechanicus/Dark Mechanicus codex come out with a whole range of new models!:D I would buy em all!

Mike X

09-08-2009, 05:00 PM

Marines were the first ones to get a 5th Edition Codex, and now Space Wolves and Blood Angels are due out before some of the Codices that are almost a decade old.

5th edition codices, by release year:
Eldar* = 2007
Chaos Space Marines = 2007
Orks = 2008
Daemons = 2008
Space Marines = 2008
Imperial Guard = 2009

*It's still unknown if the latest Eldar codex was made with 5th edition in mind.

Zaklifean

09-09-2009, 09:33 AM

Didnt Dark Angels come after Eldar?

The wolf's claw

09-09-2009, 10:43 AM

Yeah I think so eldar came out agesssss ago back with the medusa V campaign, long before 5th ed

Ghoulio

09-09-2009, 11:32 AM

I think MetalStorm4786 has a pretty valid argument. I would just love to see the xenos races get their updates before we see more marine chapters released (I guess there is still BA, DA and BT after the space wolves). Even though my fav army is Tyranids the one I want to see redone the most is Dark Eldar. I have always liked the idea behind the Dark Eldar. Its just a shame that they have the worst model range GW has ever produced (most of it is done by Gary Morely, sculpter of GW's worst figure ever...)http://www.games-workshop.com/MEDIA_CustomProductCatalog/m1440485_99110207002_ColNagashMain_873x627.jpg Once they get their new range (I think its being done by Jes Goodwin) they would be right up there with Eldar and Tyranids for most popular Xenos army.

MaidenManiac

09-09-2009, 03:04 PM

...and now Space Wolves and Blood Angels are due out before some of the Codices that are almost a decade old...

FYI the current SW codex came 2000 so that is 9 years old, and more then in due time for an update too:eek:

... I have always liked the idea behind the Dark Eldar. Its just a shame that they have the worst model range GW has ever produced (most of it is done by Gary Morely, sculpter of GW's worst figure ever...)...

Amen on Gary Morley as the worst sculptor ever. Nagash is even one of his better sculpts, and yea that should tell something about it. The previous ed Possessed CSMs(pewter ones) is another example of his horrible work:mad:

Mike X

09-09-2009, 04:02 PM

Didnt Dark Angels come after Eldar?

Oh yeah, I forgot about Dark Angels. For some reason, I was only thinking primary factions, not secondary/sub. My bad.

I would just love to see the xenos races get their updates before we see more marine chapters released (I guess there is still BA, DA and BT after the space wolves).

I totally agree. Even as a Space Marine player, I personally think even having Chapter-specific codices is stupid. However, if they did that for Chaos Space Marine Legions, Eldar Craftworlds, etc., then it'd be fine. I just don't think it's fair that Space Marines get multiple codices and the other factions get a single one.

But from a business point of view, I can somewhat understand why GW does it this way.

DarkLink

09-09-2009, 04:49 PM

The space wolves and black templar are different enough that it is easy to justify giving them seperate coedcies from vanilla marines, and as space marines are the main 40k moneymaker it makes buisiness sense for GW to produce them. I'm not the least bit convinced that Blood Angels and Dark Angels could not have been incorperated into the core SM dex. The vast majority of their units are the same, they just have slightly different chapter organizations and a few unique units (and fluff as well). If GW worked out a system that incorperated the seperate codecies into one larger book, they could also include more rules for other chapters as well.

I think they could have done this: rather than having special characters affect the Chapter/Combat Tactics special rule, you could pick your SM chapter (or founding chapter). Depending on which chapter you picked, you would get a different Chapter Tactics special rule, and each chapter would have access to certain unique units and options, as well as special characters.

So, for example, if you picked the Dark Angels (or successor) chapter, you would get Stubborn for your Chapter Tactics, could take terminators as troops if your Captain was in terminator armor (in addition to bikes as troops), could take mortis dreadnoughts, as well as the other special options the Dark Angels get.

A setup like this would give you a core list of all the basic marine units like predators, tactical marines, terminators, etc, with the ability have some special units and such for variety depending on what chapter you're playing. And because each Chapter would its own unique advantages, you wouldn't have to worry about mixing and matching like with the current SM special characters. No Vulcan/Lysander or Kantor/Lysander lists.

They could probably do a similar thing with the Chaos Legions, though it would be more difficult than with Loyalist Marines.

EDIT: The example rules for the Dark Angels I listed are just that; and example of how the system would work. So I'll ask you not to complain that I forgot about mentioning scoring Landspeeders or something like that.

Ghoulio

09-09-2009, 10:31 PM

I think they could have done this: rather than having special characters affect the Chapter/Combat Tactics special rule, you could pick your SM chapter (or founding chapter). Depending on which chapter you picked, you would get a different Chapter Tactics special rule, and each chapter would have access to certain unique units and options, as well as special characters.

This. I wish they would do this for the extra marine chapters. I pretty much agree with you 100% btw. In fact, I think it would be a great idea to do for any book that has special "chapters" (ie Chaos, Eldar, Orks). Obviously it will never happen..but its a great idea regardless :)

Prodigalson

09-10-2009, 12:44 AM

Agreed.

I play dark angels and have since 1993, but unless they are going to make us more divergent then termies and bikes as scoring, then what is the point?

They should have done an Angels of Death codex and put
Dark Angels (repentant/fearless)
Blood Angels (Rarrrr hand to hand)
Iron Hands (Dreads as troops, things like this)
Salamanders (Vulkan)
Raven Guard
White Scars
Imperial Fists(?) They are very codex, but maybe make them more siege and defense oriented.

They need to do the same thing with a the chaos codex as well.

Chaos Space Marines, Black legion and other basic renegades.

Then Codex Chaos Legions with the other 8 guys in there with all of their specific rules.

Whitehorn

09-10-2009, 03:10 AM

Have we seen any credible evidence for BA? I felt that someone simply spotted the SH models being worked on and came to conclusions.
And give Gary Morley a break. His Blood Bowl figures are great :)

Kanaellars

09-14-2009, 12:41 PM

Besides probably fluff, I can't really see much of a reason to not have DA/BA/BT all rolled into one book. Really all that needs detailing would be the special units -- and then they could do the (sensible, IMHO) thing and for all the stuff that's common equipment just say, "See Codex: Space Marines" which would make future updates a LOT simpler, at least as far as wargear goes.

Will not happen.

Games Workshop used to do that.

The Space Wolves release puts the nail in the coffin, they have just gotten rid of the last book that said "see codex ___ ".

They wont go back to it. It caused too many problems, and too many people complained.

Some complained because of issues like points costs:

player 1: "Hey, my codex says I get a storm shield for 10 points and it works like the one in C:SM"

player 2: "But my storm shields cost 15 points!"

player 1: "thats what it says"

player 2: "Muuuuummmm!"

Other complained for other reasons:

player 2: I want to play Space Marines!

GW Employee: £15 please.

player 1: I want to place Space Wolves!

GW Employee: £30 please.

player 1: "Nooooo!"

Games Worksop used to do it a lot.... but that idea is a thing of the past now.