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Smurfs
04-12-2010, 12:58 AM
Hey everybody! Ive been thinking about getting into Dark Eldar for awhile now, and after reading through the codex and looking around, I made up this list kind of as a "Buyers Guide" and would like all of your input on it. So feel free to say "Dont get that, its awful" and I would take recomendations to improve the list. Thanks a bunch!


HQ:

Archon (442)
Punisher
Tormentor Helm
Shadow Field
Combat Drugs
Animus Vitae
9 Incubi
2 Splinter Cannons
2 Blasters
Raider
Horrorfex

Elites:

10 Wyches (229)
Wyche Weapons
2x Blasters
Succubus
Wyche Weapons
Agoniser
Raider
Horrorfex

10 Wyches (229)
Wyche Weapons
2x Blasters
Succubus
Wyche Weapons
Agoniser
Raider
Horrorfex

Troops:

10 Warriors (155)
Splinter Cannon
Blaster
Raider
Horrorfex

10 Warriors (155)
Splinter Cannon
Blaster
Raider
Horrorfex

10 Warriors (155)
Splinter Cannon
Blaster
Raider
Horrorfex

14 Warriors (140)
2 Dark Lances

Fast Attack:

7 Reaver Jetbikes (206)
2x Blasters
Succubus
Tormentor Helm
Power Weapon


Heavy Support:

Ravager (120)
3x Disentegrators

Ravager (120)
3x Disentegrators


Total: 1993

Mr. Smith
04-12-2010, 07:14 AM
HQ:

Archon (442)
Punisher
Tormentor Helm
Shadow Field
Combat Drugs
Animus Vitae
9 Incubi
2 Splinter Cannons
2 Blasters
Raider
Horrorfex



I like this, used correctly, meaning used not like terminators and you could waste troop choices. However, I don't know I'd argue that maybe an agoniser should be used as your weapon instead of the Punisher. Be strength 4 is kinda cool, always wounding with a power weapon is kinda better, I'd say.




Elites:

10 Wyches (229)
Wyche Weapons
2x Blasters
Succubus
Wyche Weapons
Agoniser
Raider
Horrorfex

10 Wyches (229)
Wyche Weapons
2x Blasters
Succubus
Wyche Weapons
Agoniser
Raider
Horrorfex


I'd argue maybe throwing in a goblet into one of these squads and maybe use the minor wych lord, the 45 point one I think. Not quite sure if you can use it, using an Archon but whatever. Also maybe either haywire grenades or plasma grenades because let me tell you, Dreadnaughts are not your friends and neither is cover.




Troops:

10 Warriors (155)
Splinter Cannon
Blaster
Raider
Horrorfex

10 Warriors (155)
Splinter Cannon
Blaster
Raider
Horrorfex

10 Warriors (155)
Splinter Cannon
Blaster
Raider
Horrorfex


Might want to consider maybe throw in a darklance instead of a splinter cannon but that's probably just preference really. A problem in my store I've found is that if your raiders are immobilized, the issue comes at what is the Raider's darklance's arc of fire, so if you become immobilized, you might not be able to fire that darklance if the arc's like 45 or whatever. So, throwing in a darklance in the squad kinda negates that problem.

But like a said preference, splinter cannons are awesome.



14 Warriors (140)
2 Dark Lances


Me likely.



Fast Attack:

7 Reaver Jetbikes (206)
2x Blasters
Succubus
Tormentor Helm
Power Weapon


Interesting, I've never used bikes so please tell share how they work.



Heavy Support:

Ravager (120)
3x Disentegrators

Ravager (120)
3x Disentegrators



I don't know, on paper 3 disintegrators might seem badass but to shoot all of them, it requires you to move six inches. Which is kinda dangerous, I'd argue. Might want to spread the disintegrator love around.

BuFFo
04-12-2010, 07:32 AM
Always always always give at least one Wych Squad the Goblet of Spite.

With the 40k Rule Book FAQ, it no longer gives the bonus to your opponent.

Find a way to get a third Ravager (By cutting your bikes since they blow) and your list will shine :)

yergerjo
04-12-2010, 07:58 AM
Always always always give at least one Wych Squad the Goblet of Spite.

With the 40k Rule Book FAQ, it no longer gives the bonus to your opponent.


Agreed that it doesn't normally give the bonus to your opponent....unless you play in Chicago or use the INATFAQ, then it does...
Horrorfexes also do not affect Fearless or Stubborn per INATFAQ.
WWP cannot be dropped by units inside transports per INATFAQ

Not starting to try and rail against the INAT this time, but a warning is needed depending on where you play.

BuFFo
04-12-2010, 08:39 AM
Agreed that it doesn't normally give the bonus to your opponent....unless you play in Chicago or use the INATFAQ, then it does...
Horrorfexes also do not affect Fearless or Stubborn per INATFAQ.
WWP cannot be dropped by units inside transports per INATFAQ

Not starting to try and rail against the INAT this time, but a warning is needed depending on where you play.

You have it backwards. ;)

You don't need to warn players that the Goblet doesn't give a bonus. You need to warn players that the Goblet DOES give the enemy a bonus, in which case, you just tell them it doesn't, and provide your opponent the GW FAQ for the main rule book, because they obviously don't have it. :eek:

Now you are right, if you happen to play in one of the 3 places during the certain times of year that the INAT is used and FORCED on you, then yeah, you really have no choice. But the other 99.9% of your games, you are fine as a DE player :) :D

Smurfs
04-12-2010, 01:57 PM
Thanks for the advice and input guys. Heres a revamped list. Have a go at it.
HQ:

Archon (330)
Punisher
Tormentor Helm
Shadow Field
Combat Drugs
Animus Vitae
5 Incubi
Raider

Dracon (260)
Agoniser
Combat Drugs
5 Incubi
Raider


Elites:

7 Wyches (184)
Wyche Weapons
2x Blasters
Succubus
Wyche Weapons
Agoniser
Raider


7 Wyches (184)
Wyche Weapons
2x Blasters
Succubus
Wyche Weapons
Agoniser
Raider


Troops:

5 Warriors (110)
Splinter Cannon
Blaster
Raider Horrorfex

5 Warriors (110)
Splinter Cannon
Blaster
Raider


5 Warriors (110)
Splinter Cannon
Blaster
Raider

5 Warriors (110)
Splinter Cannon
Blaster
Raider

14 Warriors (132)
2 Dark Lances

13 Warriors (124)
2 Dark Lances

Heavy Support:

Ravager (120)
3x Disentegrators

Ravager (120)
3x Disentegrators

Ravager (105)
3x Dark Lances

Total: 1999

Mr. Smith
04-12-2010, 05:54 PM
Thanks for the advice and input guys. Heres a revamped list. Have a go at it.
HQ:

Archon (330)
Punisher
Tormentor Helm
Shadow Field
Combat Drugs
Animus Vitae
5 Incubi
Raider


Telling you dude, Agoniser.



Dracon (260)
Agoniser
Combat Drugs
5 Incubi
Raider


Wrong lord, this one while cool and a combat beast, has no invulnerable save. the minor wych lord does.




Elites:

7 Wyches (184)
Wyche Weapons
2x Blasters
Succubus
Wyche Weapons
Agoniser
Raider


7 Wyches (184)
Wyche Weapons
2x Blasters
Succubus
Wyche Weapons
Agoniser
Raider


Troops:

5 Warriors (110)
Splinter Cannon
Blaster
Raider Horrorfex

5 Warriors (110)
Splinter Cannon
Blaster
Raider


5 Warriors (110)
Splinter Cannon
Blaster
Raider

5 Warriors (110)
Splinter Cannon
Blaster
Raider

14 Warriors (132)
2 Dark Lances

13 Warriors (124)
2 Dark Lances

Heavy Support:

Ravager (120)
3x Disentegrators

Ravager (120)
3x Disentegrators

Ravager (105)
3x Dark Lances


Nothing here really hasn't changed so my opinions here still kinda stand.

BuFFo
04-13-2010, 07:12 AM
@ Smith

He took out the bikes and added a third Ravager in his updated list. I don't know if you noticed?

Smith is right, your lords are all wrong as far as efficiency is concerned.

Archon - Keep him alone, and arm his with an Agonizer and shadowfield, and go HQ / MC hunting.
Dracon - Give him the retinue of incubi, with a punisher, and go troop hunting.

Fellend
04-13-2010, 07:26 AM
Wait for the new codex and models before you start that army or you'll be regretting it

Mr. Smith
04-13-2010, 01:00 PM
@ Smith

He took out the bikes and added a third Ravager in his updated list. I don't know if you noticed?

Smith is right, your lords are all wrong as far as efficiency is concerned.

Archon - Keep him alone, and arm his with an Agonizer and shadowfield, and go HQ / MC hunting.
Dracon - Give him the retinue of incubi, with a punisher, and go troop hunting.

I noticed, he just didn't change the arrangement of his ravagers was my point.

BuFFo
04-13-2010, 02:59 PM
I noticed, he just didn't change the arrangement of his ravagers was my point.

DE need anti horde ranged, and the only effective weapon we have is the Dissie.

I run three triple Dissies myself, have been for the better part of a decade lol.

Mr. Smith
04-13-2010, 06:35 PM
DE need anti horde ranged, and the only effective weapon we have is the Dissie.

I run three triple Dissies myself, have been for the better part of a decade lol.

really, I was talking with a guy who suggested running both disintegrators and dark lances on the ravagers.