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I'm sorry if I offended you, my concerns were just that, concerns, and not insults or anything.
Space Marines names are from a long tradition and are therefore "locked" in the current language, albeit most recent stuff does comply (vanguard/sternguard for instance). Artworks are very varied and seldom feature multiple units. There's no indication of how a unit works with another, or what's the overall army structure.
No offense taken. Apologies on the less than curt response, as I didn't know quite how you intended it. (Hard to tell intentions on the internet and all.)
Well, I can see what you mean about the naming and artwork. However, being a poor college student I can hardly afford a team of artists to whip me up some artwork. =P What do you mean about the overall structure and how units work with one another? Being that I made this, it's a tad hard for me to see things from an outside perspective. If you could give some examples, I might be able to better pick up on it.
Also, having said that you're a fluff buff, would you mind taking a look at the history summary in the second post? I've been dying for someone to give some feedback on it, but no one has yet to do so. =(
You mean the colony ships are owned by the colonists, who have formed a corporation for the purpose of pooling their resources? I have a hard time imagining a corporation funding somebody else to start a new empire.Quote:
Originally Posted by Oberst Viktor Morte
They begin wars against ... Chaos? Chaos what? You mean the Ruinous Powers begin to infiltrate colonial society and are recognized as a threat? If so, I'd actually be curious as to why. To me, the four dark gods are much like the Sith of this universe - their philosophy is attractive, generally moreso than that of the "good guys," and from an objective point of view it's difficult to see what is so wrong about it ... except that for seemingly unconnected reasons, its ultimate expression is often monstrous.Quote:
Originally Posted by Oberst Viktor Morte
It takes over a thousand years to "eliminate" a "warband?" What exactly do we mean by "eliminate," and what exactly do we mean by "warband?"Quote:
Originally Posted by Oberst Viktor Morte
I find this hard to believe. According to the ork codex, in M27 techpriests sent out a deep space probe with the mission of finding the edge of the universe. In M41, having traveled far beyond the edge of the Imperium, the probe is still picking up orkish signals. This means that wherever the Kae'Moda settlers landed, it would have been well within the ambit of ork-occupied space, so I find it hard to believe that they took seven millennia to encounter their first greenskins. Maybe they had the good fortune to land in an area of space that the orks didn't have much interest in or presence on, but seven millennia is an awfully long time to go with no orks coming to call, and once they discovered humies on hand to scrap with ... well, we know what that means.Quote:
Originally Posted by Oberst Viktor Morte
There's an awful lot of history implied here, since unless the first colonists were complete morons, they presumably would have started with an iron control of their colony. Might want to elaborate some more earlier in the timeline to discuss the arc of history here.Quote:
Originally Posted by Oberst Viktor Morte
Wait ... how were they getting around before? Unreliable FTL? How unreliable? And what do we mean by "reliable?" Surely there must have been FTL before now; you can't wage interstellar warfare on narratively meaningful timeframes without it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Oberst Viktor Morte
Tiberius campaigns against Chaos and defeats it as a significant threat? How has Chaos been expressing itself until now? Defeating the local Chaos space marine warbands is one thing, but if you have a human society that the Ruinous Powers somehow haven't gotten their claws into, that's ... something that needs to be explained.Quote:
Originally Posted by Oberst Viktor Morte
How big is the Empire at this point? See earlier comment about contact with orks.Quote:
Originally Posted by Oberst Viktor Morte
What exactly is GPD?Quote:
Originally Posted by Oberst Viktor Morte
Wait, wait, wait ... the Empire (are we a Republic again yet?) wants to absorb the Imperium? How big is the Empire/Republic at this point? It takes an awful lot of chutzpah to want to absorb a political entity whose size is unknown even to itself.Quote:
Originally Posted by Oberst Viktor Morte
And by "mixed," I take it we mean "the Imperium flags this area for an evangelical crusade?" 'Cause if the Imperium found a bunch of humans who didn't worship the Emperor, that's exactly what would happen. They might send missionaries to try persuasion for a century or two, but if that didn't work, the Republic would have a full-blown, full-spectrum, multi-billion soldier war of conquest on its hands. It might take centuries to get around to it, but sooner or later, the Adeptus Ministorum would show up with a crusade at its back to bring the Emperor's light to the Kae'Moda whether they liked it or not.
I think a lot of the problems are that I'd made this summary for myself and had the smaller details in my head, not really thinking that they're important for the summary at large. This is going to end up being some fifteen or twenty pages when it's all said and done. That being said, thank you for examining it, as I've really been wanting someone to take a look at it. With some better explanation on these points, tell me if your opinion has changed or if these points still really need some work.
No, literally a Corporation wishes to form a small Empire of their own, as what better way is there to earn money and power than to be the government itself? I would find it hard to believe that out of all the thousands upon thousands of colonies formed in the Dark Age of Technology that all of them were funded and organized by the 'Terran Democracy' or whoever was in charge at the time. Something not included here is that the owner of the Corporation who was supposed to be the leader of the colonies, dies whilst in cryo-hibernation.Quote:
Originally Posted by Nabterayl
Again, something I didn't explain too well as it was a brief summary for myself. Chaos infiltrates and takes over some colonies, then proceeding to wage war against its neighbours.Quote:
Originally Posted by Nabterayl
A Chaos warband? As in, an army of Chaos soldiers, cultists, Daemons, and the like? It takes a long time to fight off and destroy the army, but the majority of that time is spend trying to rebuild the ravaged colonies that survived, in addition to their armies, and then go about recolonizing those systems that were lost to Chaos.Quote:
Originally Posted by Nabterayl
Well, until this time all of their history has been in the Alba Cluster and not expanded to anything outside of it. I don't think it's entirely unreasonable for their to be a small area in the entire galaxy that doesn't have Orks in it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Nabterayl
They have FTL travel, but it's going through the Warp with little or no assistance from Astropaths. Prior to the Age of Strife, this wouldn't have been too much of a problem. After all, Astropaths allowed ships to make longer and faster jumps than before, rather than allowing them outright. Consequently travel outside of the cluster was very limited, and many ships were lost yet still to the Warp. During their wars against an alien race known as the Hadast, they lost hundreds of ships and millions of soldiers because of this. However, it wasn't until this point that swift and safe FTL travel could be made, as that they do so without entering the Warp.Quote:
Originally Posted by Nabterayl
The Chaos empire that was founded earlier (and reinforced by Chaos Marines in millennium since) still lingered and provided occasional conflict against Kae'Moda and Xenos empires in the area. Tiberius campaigns against them and leaves all planets held by Chaos in ruins. The only exception to this is a small group of systems surrounded by a Warp storm that he is unable to cross.Quote:
Originally Posted by Nabterayl
Again, it's not as though they haven't been fighting, but rather that this is when it really escalates into total war, rather than border skirmishes and fighting against smaller Waaaghs that invade.Quote:
Originally Posted by Nabterayl
That's supposed to be GDP; Gross Domestic Product.Quote:
Originally Posted by Nabterayl
It's always been called a Republic, even when it's an empire. It wishes to absorb the nearby systems under their rule, not necessarily the entire Imperium of Man. They have nooo idea how big the Imperium really is.Quote:
Originally Posted by Nabterayl
And as per instantly flagging them for Crusade, maybe not? The Inquisition has been notified, but not until very recently. There are some among the Kae'Moda who think that the Emperor is a pretty rad guy and even those who worship him. For the time being though, I think they have bigger fish to fry than a group of humans not under the control of Chaos who have even gone as far as to protect Imperium planets from the Tyranids. Will the Inquisition form a Crusade to try and reclaim them? Probably. But it's not going to happen within the span of the next few hundred years, at least.
This makes a little more sense, but I think you need to refresh your conception of what a corporation actually is. A corporation is a person formed by a group of people who invest their funds into it. Essentially it's an avatar for the group of people who deposited money into it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Oberst Viktor Morte
Consequently, it's the investors who own the corporation. What you're describing sounds like this:
You come to me and say, "Hey, I'm gathering funds to create a new empire tens of thousands of light-years away, and I'm going to set myself up as ruler; want to donate money?"
I say, "Sure, as long as I get to be a ruler too."
"No no no," you say, "I'm going to be ruler. You don't get a stake - I just want a donation."
"You're cracked," I reply.
If the CEO dies in transit, fair enough. But you've got to explain why rational people would donate their money to this venture. Nobody is going to donate money so that somebody else can set up an empire across the stars.
Fair enough, I suppose, though there's still some holes here. "Chaos" is an Imperial-centric concept, after all. From a sociological standpoint what you just said was, "Some colonies spontaneously wage war on their neighbors." That could happen, I suppose, but it strikes me as distinctly ... well, Khornate.Quote:
Originally Posted by Oberst Viktor Morte
So ... an army, then? A really large army? I mean, you're talking about a thousand years of piracy.Quote:
Originally Posted by Oberst Viktor Morte
I agree that there are certainly small pockets of the galaxy where orks don't live, but I still have a hard time imagining seven thousand years going by without any orks visiting this area of space.Quote:
Originally Posted by Oberst Viktor Morte
Out of curiosity, how "swift" are we talking here? Tau dive drives are safe FTL, and arguably swift, but still about an average of 1/3 as fast as a vessel traveling through the Warp with Navigator or Navigator-like assistance.Quote:
Originally Posted by Oberst Viktor Morte
Okay, that's fair enough. But there's nothing really Chaotic about an empire. What's pernicious about Chaos is the idea ... the idea that things can be better, that even the blackest despair can be survived, that it's okay to look after one's self, that it's okay to be mad, that fighting with honor matters. Those are the ideas from which Chaos cults spring. How does the Republic deal with them?Quote:
Originally Posted by Oberst Viktor Morte
Why? Most starfaring Imperial subjects, I imagine, are pretty damn proud of the Imperium's immensity. Who has the Republic been talking to that they haven't figured out how huge the Imperium is? Or do they just refuse to believe what they've been told?Quote:
Originally Posted by Oberst Viktor Morte
I don't think the Inquisition has anything to do with this. A group of humans that are not a part of the Imperium doesn't really fall under the Inquisition's mission statement. That is a matter for the Ecclesiarchy, which is part of the reason I question the timing here. Virtually every starship in the Imperium, even rogue trader vessels, would have clergy onboard, and even the lowliest cleric would surely recognize the divine imperative to evangelize fellow humans who somehow have survived for thousands of years outside the light of the Emperor. Shipboard chaplain communicates the existence of the Republic to the Ecclesiarchy via the ship's astropaths, the Ecclesiarchy dispatches missionaries, the missionaries fail to achieve a 100% conversion rate, the Ecclesiarchy requests a crusade be mustered under its leadership, and the Ecclesiarchy-led crusade comes in its billions to spread the Imperial Creed.Quote:
Originally Posted by Oberst Viktor Morte
That's really the only way I can see this happening. I'm not saying the Imperium needs to crush the Republic, just that the events you've described lead inexorably to the Imperium trying to crush the Republic, and so far there's no convincing explanation as to why that hasn't happened. Two thousand years is a really long time, even for Imperial bureaucracy, so I'm wondering why the Republic hasn't had to deal with an Imperial crusade yet.
In many ways this situation is similar to that of the Tau Empire, which has had to deal with an Imperial crusade, and was really only saved by the arrival of the tyranids. The key differences that you've identified so far are that the Republic makes contact with the Imperium way before the tyranids arrive, and heathen humans would probably be a higher priority for the Imperium than yet another minor xenos empire.
Too be fair to his fluff, there already IS a precedent for a lot of the things he's claiming... in that little tech empire on the Eastern Fringe.
While it's true that the Tau did lay a smackdown on some Orks while fighting ove their outer colonies, the Tau were unmolested for virtually their entire history. Only recently, during thier large spere expansions have they really come into contact with them. While it is true that Orks are prolific, I imagine there are sectors of space where they are virtually nonexistant... in fact I imagine it would be quite common. After all, there are PLENTY of imperial sectors that have no problem at all with them at all. The mechanicus probe picking up signal so far out is less of a testament to their saturation as it is to their dispersion.
In addition, the Tau also don't know how big the Imperium is, and they've taken over plenty of Imperial worlds. I imagine it's because when they ask "Hey, new guys, how big is this Imperium of Man anyway?" And the response they get is "A trillion." It's a little hard to take them seriously. After all, I imagine any reasonable government who is presented with the scale and workings of the Imperium would consider it an idea of insanity.
I don't mean to suggest that the Republican fluff can't be what it is. I'm just pointing out that these are things that it would strengthen the fluff to address. Virtually the first thing the tau encountered when they ventured outside of their home system was orks, for instance. And the Damocles Gulf Crusade hammered the fledgling Empire really hard - yes, the fire caste adapted and eventually managed to start holding their ground rather than just getting steamrolled, but what really saved the Empire was the arrival of Behemoth. In this way, the fluff says, "No, a tiny little tech empire, no matter how advanced, cannot hold off an Imperial crusade. We know that, and it didn't, but here's another reason why the empire is still around."
And I think the tau have a pretty good idea of how big the Imperium is, and they want to annex it anyway, because they're arrogant jingoistic *******s that way :D
Sorry to shift gears from fluff to rule set so I'll try to be quick.
Something like swapping your close combat weapon for either a Poison Weapon (4+), a shotgun (S3 AP- No Cover Saves?), or an anti-MC rifle (counts as twin linked VS Monstrous Creatures?). Just throwing some random ideas out there, personally I like the Poison Weapons still and shotguns and never bad. :PQuote:
I'd like to keep them as Tyranid Hunters. Tyranids are a big deal to the Kae'Moda, and they wouldn't have such a close-combat oriented unit if it weren't for them. I might opt to use the poisoned weapons, as that's a pretty good idea. However, I might also remake them so that they can be used for close combat or ranged fighting, depending on how you gear them.
In regard to SIB...
Could add Sniper Rifles and Infiltrate. Having Feel No Pain makes up for not having Stealth. Might even be able to drop the armor or invulnerable save too depending on how well geared you want them yet controlling costs.Quote:
Teleporters I'm against. It's supposed to be his special thing and I don't want to take it away. Snipers is a good idea. I also need to put more Sniper rifles out there anyway. As they are now, they have a 5+ normal save, 6+ invul, and FNP. So in the end they're sorta survivable, but not entirely. Psykers in the army I'm against as that the Kae'Moda themselves are pretty hardcore against Psykers. However, allowing for the option to have a bound psyker wouldn't be too bad of an idea (much the same as a bound daemon-host).
In regards to Spectres
I'm having a hard time trying to figure out what to do with Spectres. The only way I could honestly see these guys working is either Front Armor 10 or changed into a monstrous creature. A Walker moving that fast is just not something certain armies can deal with. I would need some one's opinion on this one I guess. I understand that they are more meant to tie up but if they kill just one model and the opponent can't affect it, now they have the chance to force the enemy to run away and then sweeping advance themQuote:
I see what you mean about that. Make them 11-11-11 or 11-11-10 then? I'm definitely against them having FA of 10 though. I can see how these would be so deadly against other armies, even if all they do is tie up enemy squads, which can be equally bad against armies like Necrons or Tau anyway. I'll soften them up a little bit, but not too much.
In regard to the Regular Fire Teams having transports...
I wouldn't make it that each unit in the platoon must have a transport, simply due to point costs. Just to have a mechanized troop choice is going to cost an additional 150 - 350 points just in transports without upgrades. Still could keep it that they have to stay each other, just measured from the hull of the transports.Quote:
They do now, and I like how it turned out. It makes them able to be mechanized convoy, much the same as a modern Platoon in Humvees would be. I like the effect very much.
Speaking of transports...
Stalker
50 points is actually too much in my opinion. I would have it setup with a basic Storm Rifle by default and then can replace that Storm Rifle with either a Faust or GEP at their current point costs. Or make it that if no weapon is taken it can hold more infantry so the Elite choices have a better reason to take these guys. Also, are more veteran units driving these things or are Regulars? Just the BS that matters there (BS4 if veterans, BS3 if Regulars). If piloted by Regulars (thus BS3), I could the point cost could go as low as 25 points but 30 would be a safer number. It is an open topped standard vehicle that has less armor than a rhino after all.
Harbringer
Considering these guys are quite similar to the Valkyrie Assault Carrier, having a debatable stronger gun at BS4 for a cheaper cost is a little fishy (granted slightly less side armor and no scout move through).Also the point cost don't match up with the DeathStrike Gunship (base weapon loadout is the same but the DeathStrike is more points without being a transport). Hard thing to really price out considering it's load out as a Transport vehicle. I would keep the Cerberus AutoCannon on the DeathStrike only and put a different less heavy weapon as the default weapon on the Harbringer (A Faust would be best but I could see a missile launcher as an replacement too).
Your analogy is humourous and makes sense. I was just going by the precedent that in 40K fluff it says that corporations settled across the stars as well, making their own empires. Made enough sense to me. When I write out the fluff in full I'll think up something to justify it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Nabterayl
Well, here's the secret to my history. When I first made it, I made up all of it from scratch. I thought it turned out well enough, but when others cross-examined it more and more flaws were pointed out, and upon reexamining it later I found the overall 'story' of the history to be a bunch of loosely strung together unrelated events. When I set out to remake it I wanted it to have a more 'realistic' feel to it. Thus, I took a cue from GW and did what many a good writer does and I stole it. About half of the new history for the Kae'Moda is actually stolen from real history, and Chaos here is fulfilling a certain role for me that could not otherwise be well done in 40K fluff. Aside from that, Chaos was always their 'traditional' enemy before the emergence of the Tyranids.Quote:
Originally Posted by Nabterayl
Long story short, I'll find a better way to explain how and why Chaos ends up being an actual 'nation' and wars against others.
Well, it's more like fifty to a hundred years of war, which isn't really that unreasonable, and then over nine hundred years of rebuilding and re-expansion.Quote:
Originally Posted by Nabterayl
You also have to remember that Orks were not nearly as widespread in the Dark Age of Technology as they are in the so-called "Time of Ending". And by not as widespread, I mean that their population and dispersion has increased a hundred fold, at least. Take a look at the map where it says Orks live in the 1st edition rulebook, and then at where they live in the 5th edition. I may decide to introduce them earlier on, but only in minor instances.Quote:
Originally Posted by Nabterayl
I couldn't give you a ratio, but probably somewhere between the Tau and Imperial in terms of speed with their Alcubierre drive, which will get more powerful over time. When it was first invented though, it was probably 1/4-1/5 the speed. This is still not a perfect system, and ships do still occasionally get destroyed this way, as the ship breaks apart when the drive fails.Quote:
Originally Posted by Nabterayl
However, they do have a weapon which works this way, for the drive to intentionally fail. Essentially they have a drone which propels itself at an enemy ship with the Alcubierre drive and then has it shut off while traveling at near the speed of light without the proper counter-measures to slow it down. The drone is not meant to take that sort of speed and as it decelerates naturally the force on the hull breaks it to pieces, causing essentially giant pieces of shrapnel to fly at the target at relativistic speeds. It's sorta like a space shotgun that can destroy entire ships, space stations, or even entire worlds, due to destroying their atmosphere.
In addition, they also have "Jump gates" where they have a number of cosmic strings which connect them, allowing ships to travel at tremendous speeds, but only from one gate to its corresponding partner. I suppose they work somewhat like the gates in EVE online would.
Oh and by the way; **** yeah, physics!
See earlier post about Chaos as an empire, though that's not entirely unprecedented. In the Sabbat Crusade, they were trying to liberate an entire (cluster, sector, group of systems?) from Chaos control. Chaos may not be controlling an empire, per se, but certainly they control a number of worlds and can both attack and defend their own territory, which fits the bill pretty well.Quote:
Originally Posted by Nabterayl
Also, the Republic generally accepts others into their empire and let them continue to believe whatever they want to believe. However, I think that at some point they'll learn the hard way that they can't do this with Chaos cults. I'll try and work that into the history.
Well, it's in part that they don't really understand what it means that the Imperium claims the entire galaxy under their control. It's also part that they don't really care. These planets are here now, and the Kae'Moda are nothing if not expansionists.Quote:
Originally Posted by Nabterayl
Well, this is a compelling point. They may have encountered a Crusade in the past, but their current state remains as it is and so they'd of had to have destroyed the entire Crusade. If they didn't, wouldn't that mean that the Imperium would hear word of it and send a bigger Crusade, and then another, and another, until the Republic was destroyed and the Imperium would have wasted a ton of resources on destroying people who are halfway on their side anyway against Chaos, Orks, Tyranids, ect.Quote:
Originally Posted by Nabterayl
I don't really have much to respond to this moreso than, "Yes, this." Also, I thought the Tau analogy for how big the Imperium is and whatnot was hilarious.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sir Biscuit
Well, I'm changing the Flechette rifle into effectively a shotgun with flechette shells. 12" S4 AP4 Assault2, if you're within 6" it becomes AP3. And if the Kae'Moda are within 6", something is wrong. An idea, to prevent people from having them instantly charge afterwords (which is against Kae'Moda doctrine with few exceptions) is to make it 18" Rapid Fire.Quote:
Originally Posted by sirrouga
Also, SIB are getting the option to replace their pistols with rifles, and if they do they can get sniper rifles. I might make it so that they can have two entirely different layouts, perhaps give them options like IG Veterans have.
I'll think on it. I don't like the idea of making it FA10 as it allows Marines to tear it apart with their bear hands (something which always irked me), but I just might have to. They'd certainly get a lot cheaper after that.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sirrouga
Well, they're now 25pts with no upgrades, I'd never gotten around to fixing that when I lessened the armour. They also have two new things about them. Special rule: crew served weapons. Vehicles uses BS of majority of passengers. Wargear: Armoured Compartment. 10pt upgrade, no longer counts as open topped and increases side armour to 11.Quote:
Originally Posted by SIrrouga
Err, see above.Quote:
Originally Posted by sirrouga
Something I never really noticed, about the Harbinger and Deathstrike. I'll try and work this out. The Harbinger is supposed to be like a Hind, whereas the Deathstrike is supposed to be more like an Apache. I'll try and sort them out.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sirrouga
Again, thank you everyone for your help and suggestions. I'll try and work feverishly on it when I get a chance, trying to provide a new update next week. Oh, and a little note, I changed all the text from 12pt font to 10pt to make it look more like a page from a GW codex. So far I like the look, and it means that I'm going to have to insert a lot more flavour text and background fluff. I'm still going to try and keep the history to 15-20 pages, so that means that I have a ton of history to cover. I think I can handle it. 8)
Yeah, I don't doubt that corporations could do that; it's just that they would do it for their shareholders. If you're familiar with the history of the Star Kingdom of Manticore, I think that's a very plausible way for the whole "corporation-as-star-empire" thing to play out.Quote:
Originally Posted by Oberst Viktor Morte
I do see the historical parallels, just wanted to point out that the external versions of Chaos are really kind of its least worrisome form.Quote:
Originally Posted by Oberst Viktor Morte
Ah, fair enough. I like that.Quote:
Originally Posted by Oberst Viktor Morte
Yeah, it is one of those irritating facts about the Imperium from a writer's perspective. Here's a couple of ways I can think of off the top of my head to avoid either the "Death by Crusade" or "We Have A Strategic 1000:1 Kill Ratio" results:Quote:
Originally Posted by Oberst Viktor Morte
- Intentionally or not, the Kae'Moda manage to stall the Ecclesiarchy because the Imperial Creed makes [perhaps slow] steady in-roads throughout the Republic. As long conversion by persuasion is working, the Ecclesiarchy is loathe to spend the political capital necessary to gather a crusade when it can send more missionaries instead.
- A crusade is planned, but luckily for the Republic, completely unrelated political infighting between the Ecclesiarch and the <insert other High Lord or Imperial Adeptus here> means that the Ecclesiarch is unable to muster a true crusade. What does arrive is a mongrel force that, though vast, is just small enough and/or badly organized enough that the Republic can defeat it after a hard slog.
- A crusade is planned, but only after the Republic had a chance to get some idea of how the Imperium works. Clever Republican politicians are able to gain the support of the local cardinal astral, who favors giving his missionaries additional centuries to convert the Republic rather than the blunt-force crusade option favored by more distant ecclesiarchs. With the local cardinal being as obstructionist as he can, the crusade has a difficult time making headway. Though the Republic is attacked, eventually it is called off for logistical reasons. A portion of the crusade attacks the cardinal as a heretic, and bitter in-fighting consumes the Imperium's attention in the direction of the Republic for some time. The rest of the crusade is siphoned off to other warzones.
- A crusade is planned, but lost in the warp.
- The messages of the first astropaths to the Ecclesiarchy are lost in the warp, or garbled so badly as to be unintelligible. Though other parts of the Imperium are aware of the Republic's existence, the Ecclesiarchy remains blissfully ignorant (at a high level) for centuries or even millennia, as everybody simply assumes that the Ecclesiarchy already knows about the Republic and is taking whatever action it feels is necessary.
- A crusade is planned, but due to an error by the Administratum, it is never actually mustered. Hundreds of Imperial Guard regiments dissolve and "go native" as they languish for centuries without orders, the Munitorum assuming that they have already been ordered to the crusade. By the time the error is corrected billions of Imperial Guardsmen have effectively left the service - ironically causing a greater blow to the Guard than the Republic could ever hope to achieve in its wildest dreams.
- A crusade is planned, and its overwhelming force rolls into Republican space, but it is siphoned off by a more urgent threat (such as the 13th Black Crusade or a tyranid hive fleet).
- A crusade is planned, but it is intercepted (intentionally or not) by an ork Waaagh! or tyranid hive fleet.
- A crusade is planned, but its warmaster is badly chosen, and the Republic is able to direct him away from his appointed task. The Ecclesiarchy and Ordo Hereticus eventually realize that the warmaster has gone rogue, but he has planned for this eventuality and the Hereticus' attempts to remove him from power directly fail. The crusade dissolves into infighting as those loyal to the warmaster fight with those who obey the Inquisitorial mandate of whatever inquisitor is sent to correct the issue.
Or some combination thereof. Just some ideas.
Out of curiosity, does it also irk you that a frag grenade in a joint could damage the walker? Because if not, it might just be that you don't like how strong space marines, orks, etc. really are.Quote:
Originally Posted by Oberst Viktor Morte