Hm problem, Jonson was interred and Caliban destroyed long before the Necrons awoke.
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Hm problem, Jonson was interred and Caliban destroyed long before the Necrons awoke.
When did they wake up though? Although I'm sure you are right as surely the DA fleet would have noticed giant crescent pyramid thing floating where their planet was lol I don't quite get the timeline of them popping up all the time.
Ancients Vs necron millions of years ago?
Emperor Vs the dragon (possibly shard?) middle ages?
The Deceiver........did he actually go to sleep?
I hope they stick with Johnson in the rock too and they put that nugget back in the new dex.
There is a fairly detailed description of the events leading up to, and immediately after Curze's death in 'Lord of the Night' by Simon Spurrier. I won't elaborate further as that might spoil the book for you if you do decide to read it.
The events are also covered in the new audio book 'Throne of Lies'.
I am not a fan of Aaron whatshisface, so I might be biased, but I would go for Lord of the Night if choosing between the two. You would certainly get more for your money.
That is a well established piece of fluff on Manus, covered in the HH book Fulgrium, and also in the original Visions of Heresy artbook iirc.Quote:
Also I seem to have missed Manus fighting a C'tan?!?!?! Thought his arms were like Sanguinius' wings and warp mutations.
Before, while it was widely accepted that Manus defeated a Necron construct, no-one was sure exactly what manner of construct it actually was. Some people believed it was an actual C'Tan, while others thought it was just a particularly powerful and self-aware Higher-Necron. Now that GW has revised the fluff for the Necrons, a C'Tan share would fit much better.
Thanks man, I think I'll go for the Throne first.
I've read Fulgrim! I can't believe I missed that. As penance I think I'll force myself to read it again. One of the best in my opinion.
I was running a fever when I read Collected Visions.......that was fun.
OK, so does that mean that the 'Shards' that have already been hinted at in the HH books were either active in some way or discovered and activated by both the Emperor and Magnus before M31? So does that mean the Necrons were active even if it was just a small pocket?
Or were the shards scattered through space by whatever means by which they were destroyed?
I can't help but see a pattern emerging.
We already know that the Eldar gods were a result of the effects the C'tan had on the Eldar psyche.
The Eldar have their own shards for that matter, which were also scattered through time and space.
I think we can all assume that when the Primarchs were created the Emperor put a little bit more into them than just genetic material. But as they were scattered through time and space we never got to hear those fateful words in the labs
'Mal, I'm putting wings on it'
and again more evidence of 'Shards'..........Sanguinor anybody.........Blood Chalice.........
Could we see shards of what we thought were long dead Primarchs popping up all over the place.
The Emperor had access to the Dragon for how long? Its obvious that whatever grand plan he had extended much farther than conquest of the material realm. Who knows what technology or even ideas he got from that time.
Could it be that the Emperor is the Voldermort of the 40K universe?
Long wait until the new codex..........
Eeeeerrrr...
Thought that Sanguinius is in his homeworld buried and protected by the Blood Angels
Sure he is, but in the novels it hints at some kind of presence when Mephiston touches the mind of a Blood Angel. Also the blood calice entry in the codex states that Sanguinius was somehow able to 'put a part of his being into each vessel'. Lets not forget that Sanguinius founded the first Librariums with the Khan and Fulgrim.
Take the Emperor as an example, technically dead however through worship and sacrifice he has become a God, or if not a god at the least a being no longer in need of a physical body. He states as much when he is first sits on the throne.
The only other person to have a day of worship in the imperial creed is Sanguinius. On the day in question everyone wears red. It's the belief that gives things power in the warp. Exactly the reason that the Imperial truth was spread to weaken the Chaos powers.
I get a feeling that this was done intentionally as both the Emperor and Sanguinius had knowledge that Sanguinius was going to die and possible knew quite a few of the details surrounding this.
I think to a certain degree this was planned as all the different primarchs had a role to fulfil.
**************Spoiler***********Magnus to sit on the golden throne and guide man, Calgar to govern etc*************
Also if you look at the Sanguinor and the possibilities of what that could be.
If you think of the Emperor as a chaos power then why if the others can do it can't he elevate a primarch to a diembodied presence? A Demon Primarch or an Angel Primarch would be a better term.
I think this could probably also account for Calgar healing. When the belief is strong enough the 'dead' primarchs will return and that will be the final battle. After all Angron for example keeps coming back after he is vanquished.
Also a final point of interest that has me stumped............why isn't Corbulo a Librarian? He has the power of foresight an obvious psychic power. Also there is mention of manifestations such as the Sanguinary guard who lost his eyes but could see better without them. I think the possibility for the Angels all having a degree of ability is on the cards and this is evident through the Black Rage and the fact that there was one occasion that it affected all Blood Angels before his death.
it could be a dead primarch
the necron dude is carrying around a severed head and enslaver corpse after all, what use could it have for those?
It could be a dead Primarch, true, but it could also be a live one.
Trazyn is a hoarder/collector/historian...having all of those things -is- their use, for him.
There is a lot that can be said about if it really is one of the Primarchs, but in agreement of statements about it just being a Hulking of a Man leading down the path it could be just a Space Marine but of the hire parts of the Chain of Command. A solider or a line officer wouldn't make the cut to fulfill such a rule but a Chaplains, Librarians, or even a the 1st Company could comprise of such a manner.
To be so focus on it being a Primarch is focusing down a certain path, and even saying it is a Space Marine could also be apart of the narrow path. GW could in all intent and purpose could be using this as a gateway to open up something new to add to the world of the 40k. Prime example on this is the Squats (yeah I am going here) and how according to "fluff" they were all wiped out across the galaxy by the Tyrinads. Now with the rumor mills that the Squats are making their return with the Tau, so who is not to say some other auxiliary unit isn't making some other appearance with them as well.
There is a lot to be said with a lot of good points being made around the board, I am just suggesting a different avenue for which this possible fluff can be coming from, to assume always what we know is always a good smoke screen to something that we didn't perceive coming because it is the nature of GW to jingle a bell over here and then slide something new over there. I could be wrong but it is the internet so I get to post my opinion too. Happy trails everyone.