[URL="http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/0/526190.page"]...but not from who you'd expect![/URL]
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Originally Posted by Yakface
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[URL="http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/0/526190.page"]...but not from who you'd expect![/URL]
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Originally Posted by Yakface
Click the link above for the full thread and the text of the C&D.
LOL a thread sets out to prove that a website lots of people have had problems with is a scam and run by someone with a history of running model based scams.
So what does said person do? Release a law suit proving that said scam is in fact being run by him...
Didn't the thread simply ask them to confirm who owned it?
Would have probably been cheaper just to answer the thread?
Nah, the thread was all "this company is run by this guy, and we have proof - but we can't show you this proof - but trust us that we have it! Also this guy is a horrible scammer." Though I haven't really followed the sagas much but I don't think anything has ever been proven in a legally binding sense, just lots of complaints online.
Given claims that the legal company may not in fact be a real company, who knows. Mind you if this company is, as is alleged but not proven, not a real one it would have made sense to leave Mandelbaum's name off of the letter.
YAY!
Internet drama...:D
Isn't their an equivalent of Companies House where all that info is discussed?
Anyway I am going to bycott all resin forge because of this C&D and nerd rage!!!!
Actually, I don't do resin forge, never have done, probably never will but that has nothing to do with the above.
Well at least that C&D clarifies who is behind Resin Forge, no way I'd touch them with a barge pole now, Daniel Mandelbaum is bad news, end of story.
Well, the C&D is about the parts of the thread calling Mandelbaum a scammer and a fraud, but its so well documented and true that he has no grounds for defamation, because you know, its true, they said that Mandelbaum had previously scammed hobbyists out of money in the past, provided sources and evidence of this, its all factual information thats freely available online, he's a scum bag and his involvement with a company means it should be avoided given other people past experiences.
This is where the problems of C&D arise.
THe reasons why C&D are issued
1. The issuer has a good and valid reason for issuing the C&D
2. The issuer thinks they have a good and valid reason for issuing the C&D
3. The issuer thinks they have a [tenious/potential] reason for issuing the C&D
4. The issuer thinks the issuee will comply
Let us be completely honest, even these bigger boards do not generate signficant profit, and certainly not enough to be able to hire a lawyer to defend, after all the gamble is whether or not the claim is fair comes down to judge and jury, which is expensive and their decisions are not always what you would expect. It is far easier and less damaging to just accept the C&D and carry on.
The trouble is that while 1 & 2 are fair reasons to issue them, they are often seen as 4. i.e. a bully forcing people to do what they want, and consequently most C&D issuers get branded bullies, when they are acting in what they believe to be the fair option.
The strange things happen when a company is forced to issue a C&D because of how the law interacts with other areas of their business.
The community website/forum for Warhammer Online was a huge benefit to the gamers and did a lot of good, unfortunately, the website domain name was a GW registered mark. GW had two options, on the one hand it had a thriving community playing its game, giving feedback and generally building a community (which as far as GW is concerned is very good) on the other it could not allow the use of it's registered mark to go unchalleneged (otherwise a defacto licence would be "granted" making it harder for GW to defend it's mark when used more "maliciously").
Ok this lawyer stuff is getting silly what is the internet the freaking United states where everyone sues each other for no reason?
Word up Monkey Farmers! As posted in Wargames Corporate, some useful infos for UK customers who have fallen foul of Mandelbaum (do we reckon he's related to Mandelson?)....
PayPal may say you're out of time, but it ain't necessarily so. Little know fact, PayPal come under the jurisdiction of the Financial Ombudsman Service. Now, it's not an especially straight foward issue, but the FOS are free to consumers, so worth looking into, especially where you opened a dispute with PP, and the other party persuaded you to close it off, then continued to mess you around.
Yeah that combined with the fact that the information alleged too is accurate, throw in that they have a line of people willing to testify against these idiots, and the fools have potentially opened themselves up to counter litigation....funny silly scamers are funny.
I think it's more the calling them scammers. There's freedom of speech, and then there's libel/slander/defamation (delete as inappropriate/appropriate [delete as appropriate]).
Mandelbaum has a bum rep, but doesn't necessarily mean he's an intentional scammer, more an interwebular 'Cut Me Own Throat Dibbler'.
He's still not getting any of my cashmonies though.
Hilariously, when you search for the name of the company that issued the C&D (Britcons Ltd, apparently in germany) and the CEO, an M. Duerkop, you only get a few results, all about this one C&D letter, the only Britcon I could find as a UK engineering firm, explaining why its Ltd, not the germat standard GmbH or KG.
Not saying its not real, but, its not likely that the alleged CEO of a legal office in gemany would say they worked for a british enginnering firm and be untraceable on google, hell my real name gets you my facebook, twitter and a whole host of other things, a CEO of a legal firm should get a lot more results.
The first thread where it came to light, where he failed to fulfil about 10 orders for people over the course of a year and then said he'd sent it out when it hadn't, then claimed his friend would send them but couldn't get tracking numbers, then a few people got their packages from him, even though he'd claimed his friend had sent them months ago and they'd been lost, that I could believe made him an unorganised idiot who messed up and tried to cover his tracks, the fact that over the next 5 years he continues to start business under different names targetting the wargames community and repeatidly gets complaints about orders not being fulfiled and disappears when the heat gets too much it too much to believe is due to general incompetance.
Do you reckon we could send one to Warseer?
Dear Sir.
We've had complaints about the noise/signal ratio, and the whining in particular.
Do try to keep the volume and the whining down Sir. Some people are trying to enjoy their hobby.
Yours
The Intertubes Police.
but then they might migrate to places we like O_O
Just called Britcon, to confirm that they don't have a legal office in Germany and are the only Britcon Ltd they know of. They are very confused as to why someone issued a C&D under their name
Apparently it's an engineering company in s****horpe.
Fourth one down chaps...
[url]http://www.bing.com/search?q=Britcons+Ltd&src=IE-SearchBox&Form=IE8SRC&adlt=strict[/url]
Security Enforcement. Apparently. Seems a bit 'Shotgun, Barsteward and Dribble' to me. Either that, or Mr Mandelbaum was looking for the A-Team and settled on this lot.
[url=http://business-listings.com/Business/Britcons-Ltd-2231187.html]Or then again perhaps not...[/url].
Apparently, they travel through time righting wrongs. Check out their year of establishment....
well it is a ****hole but apparently the censor doesn't like it...
Interesting development, the website of the 'firm' which sent the C&D has disappeared, which has followed from alot of speculation that said firm is at best not a proper business/legal entity and at worse is a front set up purely for the C&D email that was sent lol
His scams are getting more complex....whats the point where scams cross into criminal conspiracy?
When you impersonate a Lawyer I guess.
Unless......curiouser and curiouser.....the letter was not sent by Resin Forge at all and is just someone on the wind up.
Think about it. RF are peeved because Dakka claim it's someone dodgy (though Lexicanum on FB say the postal address is a match...). But Dakka won't release the alleged evidence, for reasons which I'm sure are probably to stay on the right side of libel/slandery law things (things what I don't understand personally).
So why then send a blatantly shonky C&D, naming the very people who are apparently being defamed/whatever on it, confirming that Dakka was quite correct, it is a new company set up by someone know for, at the very least, and indeed most charitable description, to be a bit crap when it comes to customer service?
I'm quite enjoying this one!
Is it just me or is this really dubious, but not in the 'scammer scamming way'? I mean we had a group of people claim ResinForge was owned by this scammer but that they wouldn't produce the evidence. Then apparently this same scammer was stupid enough to give himself away by sending a C&D to Dakkadakka on absurd grounds through a company that may not exist and may have been set up to send a C&D which implicates him.
This whole thing stinks.
For the record I am not defending ResinForge nor have I ever bought anything from them or would ever entertain buying anything from them. I just think this whole thing is rotten.
I said the same but wordier just above.
Wordier and probably more confusing.
Lern2brevity.:p
TL:dr
No, it is'nt just you, My Mystery's thought is'nt outlandish, the same thing had crossed my mind, someone other then RSO could easily have sent Yakface the C&D to stir things up a bit more.
However, I'll add I believe Resin Forge is very much RSO's latest 'venture', I think by far the majority of those who have made the accusations are trustworthy, reliable and have no reason to make any false accusations. And I only say majority to cover myself because some of them are individuals I'm not faimilar with.
Ooooh! Zing!
Now, back on topic.
I mentioned the Lexicanum state the address of the dodgy company and Resin Forge are the same, but have not shown evidence, though to be as accurate as possible, they haven't refused to show the evidence. They just haven't shown it. Which are of course two different things!
The sheer number of people complaining and the length of time its been happend would mean as a conspiracy to discredit RSO its extremly eloborate, not ruling it out, but to fakes 50 odd accounts, order things from him and then claim to not get it, and do that over 5 years, thats a lot of time and effort to take him down.
The guy is dodgy as heck, at the very least, he should have learnt after the first time he got caught that he's just not capable of running his own business properly.
Nonono Orksorksorks! You've got the wrong end of the stick fella.
It's the C&D we think is a bit....suspicious, not the people saying Resin Forge are bobbins.
1) I support what Dakka did in exposing this bozo.
2) They achieved their goal as the C&D stated what they were claiming, that Mandelbaum was Resin Forge. The guy uses multiple aliases it seems.
3) The C&D is a joke, written by some firm in Germany that isn't even clearly a law firm.
4) The guy has ZERO case. Though not an IP attorney, I am a lawyer and can tell you Dakka was pretty good in what they wrote and how they did it.
5) Dakka can't be held responsible for what OTHERS say on their forum. First Amendment and all that.
6) Dakka never should have taken the thread down. Screw Mandelbaum et all.
7) The guy is relegated to ripping off people for resin. You think this guy has the ability to sue anyone?
I would have laughed at the guy and told him to screw off. Sadly, the Dakka Admin isn't incorporated (Bad move) and is worried if he is sued he would lose his house. I say, that is why you incorporate so morons can't threaten you like this and hope to achieve anything. No one sues an empty shell company with no assets!
And if anyone wants to see what Dakka originally posted, it is on my website (I won't be taking it down, even if some guy sends me a C&D as I was reporting news).
[URL="http://apocalypse40k.blogspot.com/2013/05/resin-forge-fraud-alert.html"]Original Article[/URL]
[URL="http://apocalypse40k.blogspot.com/2013/05/resin-forge-sends-c-to-dakka.html"]New Article recapping C&D[/URL]
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