Are You Pondering What I'm Pondering?

As I've said recently in another thread, I'm more excited about 40,000 then I have been in years; maybe a decade. So, let's ponder the future of the far flung future, shall we. This will be a free form thread on my thoughts regarding what's coming next. Prognastication.

So, having voraciously consumed all recent rumors regarding 40,000 both here and on Warseer, what that future look like? Well, the rumors are strarting to seriously contradict one another and lots of it probably depends upon what you want to believe I guess. Personally, if I'm honest, I WANT to belive the next two codexes will be Chaos Legions and Chaos Renegades. Okay, I'd be willing to swap the order. :D

Anyway, the rumors as I see them, are that the following are coming (the order is the real question, isn't it?): Chaos Renegades (LatD FTW!!!!), Chaos Legions, Tau, Eldar, Black Templars and 6th Ed. Many grew very excited that Tau were said to be next. Others (including myself) were excited that Chaos Legions were said to be after that and that there was even a possability that a Chaos Renegades (Traitor guard, mutants, etc.). Having said all that, obviously it can't all happen next year. So, what are we to make of all this?

Well, I think the first thing to do it plug 6th edition into July next year. I think it is pretty obvious that this will be the big deal next year. Just too much pointing to this being a certainty for me. Given that, that means one or two codexes before the release -- mabe a White Dwarf one as well. Personally, I'm leaning toward 2 codexes, as there were only 2 official this year and I think it will be a real 40,000 year next year. So, if that means three codexes next year, what can we deduce?

Well, though I was kinda excited about Tau being next, just for the whole more Xenos thing ('cause I don't wanna play them myself), I think this really means Tau might be screwed. Because, upon deeper reflection, I don't believe for a second that the next codex will not be a space marine codex -- so, given rumors, that means Black Templars. And since I believe the 6th edition July thing, that means that the November slot will be the vanilla Space Marines. That means that there will be only room for one real codex around May sometime. I'm guessing the Chaos Legions book, with a featuring of Chaos in the boxed set for 6th. Either way, I personally believe that the Chaos Renegades 'book' will actually be a WD release thing around June.

So, in the end, I guess I'm looking at:

Black Templars -- Chaos Legions -- 6th Ed. -- Space Marines


Of course, that looks like too much marines. So perhaps this is more likely:

Black Templars -- Tau -- 6th Ed. -- Space Marines


Hmmmm.... Neither feels right considering the big Tau and Chaos Legions rumors lately. There is also the supposed Chaos thrust of 6th edition that is hinted at (which my gut says is true), and leaving Chaos Legions to 2013 does not seem to support that. Also, it has been forever since Eldar were done (which I'm kinda fine with truth be told ... stop with the whole dying race thing already, get it over with).

So ..... I think I'm hurting my brain. Still, I guess I'll go with this:

Black Templars -- Tau -- 6th Ed. -- Space Marines
*with a Renegades (LatD) list in WD May-June or June-July

So, are you pondering what I'm pondering? Man, watching too much Pinky and the Brain lately.

Why keep putting Black Templar before 6th ed or even Chaos Legions? We have not even heard any rumors on them yet. (Unlike say. Chaos and 6th.)

In all honesty I keep seeing people sticking Tau here, But I doughy that too.

With 6th so close, and the rumors we have now... I got a feeling we are going to see a fairly heavy Fantasy Release sceudal until July/August, or if thier is a 40k release it's probly not going to be a new book.

Just my own speculation.
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Originally Posted by Lockark

Why keep putting Black Templar before 6th ed or even Chaos Legions? We have not even heard any rumors on them yet. (Unlike say. Chaos and 6th.)

In all honesty I keep seeing people sticking Tau here, But I doughy that too.

With 6th so close, and the rumors we have now... I got a feeling we are going to see a fairly heavy Fantasy Release sceudal until July/August, or if thier is a 40k release it's probly not going to be a new book.

Just my own speculation.
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Actually, I've seen several rumors regarding Black Templars. Besides, I contend that GW is incapable of going two codexes in a row that are not a Space Marine chapter of some kind (Chaos does not count). WD codexes do not count for this. Also, there will be at least one full on codex before 6th summer release. Believing there will not be a full 40,000 codex for 6-8 monthes is flat out ludicrous.

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Originally Posted by Kazzigum

I WANT to belive

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X-Files FTW! God, it's been a long time since I've seen that show.

So time for me to put my two cents in:
-I'm pretty sure that Eldar are going to be the November release. Eldar/Elves almost always get this slot.
-Legions are almost definitely before Renegades. The more reliable rumors I've heard have said that the current craptastic codex Gav Thorpe left us like a flaming bag of dog turds on the front porch will receive an extensive WD update around the time Legions comes out in order to have it completely focus on renegades.
-New editions are always a summer release.

That being said, I'm looking forward to seeing what the new edition brings. An advancement of the fluff would be nice, but I'm worried about some of the rumors I've been hearing regarding the directions it might be taking, like the bit about 'Chaos teams up with IoM to fight Xenos.' This reeks of Wardism, and should be saved for the fan fiction. The rumors 'to hit' modifiers have gotten me excited, as I think they will add a rebalancing element to the game. Now speed will really be the best weapon for the Eldar, while the lumbering parking lots and Razorspam which dominate our tables will be (hopefully) be forced to adapt to an increased chance of enemies blowing up their vehicles from afar. Really, I'm astonished that GW hasn't made more use of BS modifiers. The only one I can remember was that one Nurgle Minor Psychic Power in the 3rd ed. CSM codex... I miss that codex. Sure, it was clunky and convuluted, but you could do so much with it, like actually playing individual legions!

I do hope that GW does BT sometime soon. Though I never played them, they were always my favorite of the Space Marine chapters, both in terms of looks and fluff. (Screw you, Codex Astartes! 50,000 battle brothers FTW!)

I'd expect to see Black Templars in 2013 to coincide with the release of the video game that features them. I wouldn't be surprised if the models were already finished or in progress (which would explain why there have been a few rumored sightings of them) but they're on hold for a while.

I'm going to take a leap and guess this release order

February 2012: Tau
May 2012: Chaos Legions
July 2012: 6th Edition
September 2012: 6th Edition Box Set featuring Chaos Legions vs. Dark Angels, plus White Dwarf Dark Angel update
November 2012: Vanilla Space Marines

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Originally Posted by Lerra

I'd expect to see Black Templars in 2013 to coincide with the release of the video game that features them. I wouldn't be surprised if the models were already finished or in progress (which would explain why there have been a few rumored sightings of them) but they're on hold for a while.

I'm going to take a leap and guess this release order

February 2012: Tau
May 2012: Chaos Legions
July 2012: 6th Edition
September 2012: 6th Edition Box Set featuring Chaos Legions vs. Dark Angels, plus White Dwarf Dark Angel update
November 2012: Vanilla Space Marines

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This I would love. Still, that would mean three codexes in a row that are not Space Marines. Can we believe this of GW? Perhaps there is precidence for this at the tail end of some of the previous editions? I should look it up.

my 2.56 cents, i think these times will be delayed by fantasy. arent woodelves due and dwarfs? i also heard some stuff about orcs and empire. the reason i think this will be the case is that theres the new fantasy edition and many books are quite old. 6 books(counting the 3 you mentioned above)- 7 months. i wish.

i want to see both tau and legions asap, i play chaos and i want to play tau so badly...

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Originally Posted by Kazzigum

Actually, I've seen several rumors regarding Black Templars.

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Were the flying blue blazes have you seen that?

I haven't see jack get post about the Black Templar lately. Much more Tau and Chaos stuff.
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Originally Posted by Kazzigum

Besides, I contend that GW is incapable of going two codexes in a row that are not a Space Marine chapter of some kind (Chaos does not count). WD codexes do not count for this.

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1)The marine every other release thing is more of a 5th ed thing then anything eals. For example we got Orks and then Deamons right after, can't remember far enought back for other examples. Hopefully in 6th we will see the end of Marine-Hammer 40k.
>___>

2)And even then. Why would Chaos Marines not count as Marines?

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Originally Posted by Kazzigum

Believing there will not be a full 40,000 codex for 6-8 monthes is flat out ludicrous.

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I could see it personally. Their are plenty of 40k armies that need their 2nd or 3rd release waves to finish filling out their ranges. Nids, Space Wolves, and Imperial Guard Spring to mind off the top of my head.

In Fantasy Wood Elfs and Brets NEED updated. On top of that Empire, Dwarfs and Vampires are rumored for updates. Thier is also the idea of a "Contingents" expansion floating around.

They could easily go 6 months with out a new 40k book....

With-in a 6 month span we usely get 2, sometimes 3 books. So all I'm saying is I will not be surprised to see two fantasy books in a row.

Do I know that for a fact? Nupe. Just my speculation. Not worth that much of course, but no more or less then yours.
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There have been some BT rumours on Warseer. BT before TAu, plastic Neophyte and Brethren kits, emphasis on larger units of these supporting power armoured brethren or something. Sonme kind of special knight kit.

So:

BT
Tau
Chaos Legions
C:SM
Eldar
SoB

Would be my educated guess. I'm more sure of the last three than the first three.

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Originally Posted by eldargal

There have been some BT rumours on Warseer. BT before TAu, plastic Neophyte and Brethren kits, emphasis on larger units of these supporting power armoured brethren or something. Sonme kind of special knight kit.

So:

BT
Tau
Chaos Legions
C:SM
Eldar
SoB

Would be my educated guess. I'm more sure of the last three than the first three.

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Even if 6th was in August, That doesn't leave alot of room for Fantasy Releases....

O.o

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Originally Posted by Lockark

Even if 6th was in August, That doesn't leave alot of room for Fantasy Releases....

O.o

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Except that is just an order, with no timescale. Say that's over the next 2 years, maybe 3? I can fully believe that, based on the amount of time Blood Angels spent with a WD codex. GW still won't have a fixed release date for anything but the next codex. They will have a rough idea of what they are going to release over the next three years, for all three systems, but have always been very flexible with their time scales because of the creative nature of their work. They don't like to publicise a release date until everything is ready to ship (bar mass producing Finecast items and some plastic sprues, for stock management/storage reasons, mostly financial) because when they have in the past, and then something has gotten delayed they have had masses of complaints.

Add to that the release of a new edition totally frags the release schedule for all their other lines as well. When Fantasy 8th came out last year, there was 'Nids, Blood Angels, and Dark Eldar. This year there has been Grey Knights and Necrons. But I can totally see a good Fantasy schedule coming out in that.

Jan - VC
Feb - BT
Mar - Empire/Dwarfs
Apr- Model waves/Tau
May - Dwarfs/Empire
Jun - Model waves
July - 40K 6th
Aug - Model Waves
Sep - 40K 6th Starter Kit
Oct - Fantsay
Nov - Chaos Legions

Or something like that.

See, that sounds reasonable ... except ... the first codex after 6th edition WILL be Space Marines. It always is. So, again, I'm wrestling with where Chaos Legions goes. There just seems to be too much talk of both it and a Chaos resurgence in 6th for it to be missing next year. It just does not seem to jive.

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Originally Posted by SotonShades

Except that is just an order, with no timescale.

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We do. 6th is stated for a july/Aug release. That would mean two 40k books with-in 6 mounths.

At most I would assume 1 40k book and 1 fantasy book. Maby a 3rd book, witch I assume would be Fantsey.
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Originally Posted by Charistoph

Add to that the release of a new edition totally frags the release schedule for all their other lines as well. When Fantasy 8th came out last year, there was 'Nids, Blood Angels, and Dark Eldar. This year there has been Grey Knights and Necrons. But I can totally see a good Fantasy schedule coming out in that.

Jan - VC
Feb - BT
Mar - Empire/Dwarfs
Apr- Model waves/Tau
May - Dwarfs/Empire
Jun - Model waves
July - 40K 6th
Aug - Model Waves
Sep - 40K 6th Starter Kit
Oct - Fantsay
Nov - Chaos Legions

Or something like that.

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If I recall GW only releases like. 3 books per system ever year. SOMETIMES they go as high as 4, but not very often.

By that list your expecting 3 Fantsey Books, and 2 40k books with-in a 6 mouth period?
O____o

That would be like... Almost a Year of releases with-in a 6 month period. You might want to curb your expectations...

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Originally Posted by Lockark

We do. 6th is stated for a july/Aug release. That would mean two 40k books with-in 6 mounths.

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I think you may have misunderstood my meaning. I was simply saying that eldargirl's list was simply an order for the 40k codex releases, rather than a complete list of everything being released in order and with the time scale, so throw in 6th Ed and the fantasy releases.

As for th idea that C:SM is always the first codex released; well, it has always been the main side in the starter box set (Alway more points and the more powerful force than the opposing bad guys). If the rumours of the starter set being Chaos Legions vs Eldar turn out to be true, wouldn't the larger, more powerful force in that set (my money being CL) make more sense as the first codex of 6th Ed, with the other being one of the last of 5th (as Orks were in 4th/5th cross over)?

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Originally Posted by Kazzigum

See, that sounds reasonable ... except ... the first codex after 6th edition WILL be Space Marines. It always is. So, again, I'm wrestling with where Chaos Legions goes. There just seems to be too much talk of both it and a Chaos resurgence in 6th for it to be missing next year. It just does not seem to jive.

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Some of the rumors do not have Ultramarines in the Starter Set, but has Chaos Marines instead. And just because something has "always" been does not mean it can't change.

Another 6th Edition rumor says the storyline is supposed to emphasize Chaos more. Don't get me wrong, Space Marines will be in the starter, and the first codex out for 6th. But there's a lot of noise that it won't be the base codex, but Chaos Legions.

But that's a long time from now, and GW brass could change their mind.

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Originally Posted by Lockark

We do. 6th is stated for a july/Aug release. That would mean two 40k books with-in 6 mounths.

At most I would assume 1 40k book and 1 fantasy book. Maby a 3rd book, witch I assume would be Fantsey.
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Actually, that would be standard fare for the top half of the year for the last 3 years to have 1-2 40K books and 1-2 Fantasy books. I know I just pointed out that trends don't mean anything, but that doesn't mean that baby has to go with the bath, either. And that includes when Fantasy went to 8th.

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Originally Posted by Lockark

If I recall GW only releases like. 3 books per system ever year. SOMETIMES they go as high as 4, but not very often.

By that list your expecting 3 Fantsey Books, and 2 40k books with-in a 6 mouth period?
O____o

That would be like... Almost a Year of releases with-in a 6 month period. You might want to curb your expectations...

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Yeah, it's intensely optimistic. But we've had quite a bit come out this year. Who knows how much they have on back burner that's just waiting for bean counters and suit-ties to approve the go-ahead.

It's actually generally 2 books then the next year three books, and back and forth... at least for 40K. We'll get 3 books in 2012.

I think the only thing that people are assuming is that space marines (ultramarines) are getting a book immediately after the edition. I think with all the other "big" marine books, marines get a new book every year in general, so there isn't a need to re-do the ultramarine book. I understand that it "has always been done". We have heard nothing about any update about ultramarines at all. Also the rumors seem to indicate black templars vs. chaos from what I see. I think Charistoph has it about right, with a little wiggle room there on a month to month level. BT's/Tau/Chaos Legion/Eldar(2013).

Also at this point BT's are the oldest book, followed by Tau. That doesn't necessarily mean anything, but I think they want to go ahead and update BT's, who rules wise are way outside of all the current marines.

i don't know what the releases will be but as far as past codexs go it seems to go imperial xenos imperial xenos and so on. Only change to that was the release of an imperial guard one between two marine releases so i would be suprised if they change it now after so much consistancy :D