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02-23-2016, 03:59 PM
Raximus

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[v] Siege of Terra [/b]

- Imperial Fists invade Mars pre-siege. Take big casulties.
- Little Horus lowers the shields on the Vengeful Spirit.
- Sigismund kills Kharn.
- The Khan gets revenge on Mortarion. (This will make sense soon)
- Loken kills Tormageddon.
- There are 4 loyal legions at the Siege. The Salamanders and Vulkan fight in the webway, their efforts unrecorded.
- Oli Perrson intervenes in the final duel
- Abbadon kills Lil Horus.

Lion and the Wolf

- The brothers butt heads. And battleships. DA vs SW and DA.
- The 13th find Magnus. Magnus turns them all feral, before leaving them to get lost for 10k years.

White Scars

- The Khan is the second primarch to stay at Terra.
- The Blood Ravens are a White Scar successor with Arvida as their Chapter Master.
- The Brotherhood of the Storm form the "Stormlords" chapter.
- Hibou Khan is forgiven by the Khan. He becomes a rather key character.

1k Sons

- Magnus is effectivally a "C'tan shard/(s)". The Magnus you see doing good things is not necessarily the one doing all the bad stuff.

Ultramarines

- Thiel forms the Genesis Chapter.
- The Sotha Defense Chapter take up Dantioch's heraldry in honor of his death. The visions the Pharos used to grant them lead to an obsession with predicting the future.

Grey Knights
- Malcador works to form the GK legion. Yes legion.
- AL schism. Omegon flees to Terra. Schism forces the AL to miss Terra.
- Omegon takes stolen gene tech back to Terra. Helps Malc. make a truly "legion" legion.
- The 8: "Omegon, Zharost, Severian, Rubio, Ison, Umojen, Narek, Zaherial"
- A legion's worth of marines go into the warp, only a chapter survives.
- Legion was meant to turn the tide of the war. Imminent arrival of Horus forces Malcador to "safeguard" Titan in the warp.

Imperium Secundus

- Last remnants of the Pharos power used to get Sanguinius and Polux to where they most want to be. The Lion to whom he most wants to find. Guilliman doesn't really want to leave, and as such he's left stranded.

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02-23-2016, 04:06 PM
Defenestratus

What am I reading?
02-23-2016, 04:15 PM
Mr Mystery

Speculation I'd wager.
02-23-2016, 05:16 PM
Djbz

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- Sigismund kills Kharn.

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Yeah, sure.
It's not as though Kharn is running around killing anyone he can reach 10000 years after the siege of the Emperor's Palace or anything.....
02-23-2016, 05:55 PM
Tzeentch's Dark Agent

Remember that Lucius was killed by Nykona Sharrowkyn and he is still kicking. Chaos does some weird things.
02-23-2016, 05:56 PM
Haighus

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Originally Posted by Djbz

Yeah, sure.
It's not as though Kharn is running around killing anyone he can reach 10000 years after the siege of the Emperor's Palace or anything.....

Well, to be fair Kharn has already 'died' twice so far... He seems to be able to survive the most horrific of wounds and return from the seemingly dead, like when he returns from the beating Loken gives him. So it may be he is thought to be killed, but somehow survives due to the machinations of Chaos despite grievous wounds. So perhaps it should be 'Sigismund 'kills' Kharn'.
02-23-2016, 06:05 PM
Tzeentch's Dark Agent

And how many times has Vulkan died so far?

Heck, even I've died, and I am still here.
02-24-2016, 01:31 AM
RGilbert26

Hmm it was nice wish listing until I read the Blood Ravens part. Highly doubt they are White Scars.
02-24-2016, 04:58 AM
StraightSilver

Yeah pretty sure the Chris Wraight short story confirms the Blood Ravens are a Thousand Sons successor made up of the loyal guys that missed Prospero burn.
02-24-2016, 11:01 AM
Badtucker

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Originally Posted by Haighus

Well, to be fair Kharn has already 'died' twice so far... He seems to be able to survive the most horrific of wounds and return from the seemingly dead, like when he returns from the beating Loken gives him. So it may be he is thought to be killed, but somehow survives due to the machinations of Chaos despite grievous wounds. So perhaps it should be 'Sigismund 'kills' Kharn'.

if you know your early siege fluf - The Battle of Terra
During the culminating siege of the Imperial Palace, Khârn was at the forefront of every assault. When the battle ended with the loyalist forces victorious, Khârn lay dead upon a mound of corpses at the walls of the Inner Palace. His fellow World Eaters carried his corpse away with them as they fought their way back to their ships. Once on board they discovered that by some dark miracle, he still lived.Whether Khorne himself breathed life back into the berserker's body or whether the relentless clamour of battle revived his blood-lusting spirit remains a mystery, but since the Heresy Khârn has survived the bloodiest battles to the current age and never came so close to death again.
02-24-2016, 12:21 PM
Patrick Boyle

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Originally Posted by RGilbert26

Hmm it was nice wish listing until I read the Blood Ravens part. Highly doubt they are White Scars.

Given how heavily the Blood Ravens Dawn of War novels, a certain passage in the Thousand Sons novel, and the short story with the Thousand Sons who missed Prospero beat you over the head with the connections, the Blood Ravens being a successor of anyone but the Thousand Sons would be a baffling reversal. It would make especially little sense to have them be a White Scars successor, there's absolutely nothing tying them back. Though, maybe it's just a typo on the part of the OP? Arvida was the character in that Thousand Sons short story no?

This all still sounds like nonsense, to some extent, especially with stuff like Omegon being a founding member(Primarch then?) of the Grey Knights.

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And I missed the "Magnus being a C'tan shard" bit. What? No, seriously, what? The greatest Psyker humanity has seen bar the Emperor is now somehow an embodiment of the antithesis of the warp? That is basically what the C'tan are, no?
02-24-2016, 04:09 PM
Haighus

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Originally Posted by Badtucker

if you know your early siege fluf - The Battle of Terra
During the culminating siege of the Imperial Palace, Khârn was at the forefront of every assault. When the battle ended with the loyalist forces victorious, Khârn lay dead upon a mound of corpses at the walls of the Inner Palace. His fellow World Eaters carried his corpse away with them as they fought their way back to their ships. Once on board they discovered that by some dark miracle, he still lived.Whether Khorne himself breathed life back into the berserker's body or whether the relentless clamour of battle revived his blood-lusting spirit remains a mystery, but since the Heresy Khârn has survived the bloodiest battles to the current age and never came so close to death again.

Ahh, thanks. Well, it really wouldn't be at all surprising if it was Sigismund seeing as his fluff has him challenging every traitor commander he crossed paths with and defeating them all. He is also probably the single most deadly Astartes short of a Primarch in single combat in the entire Heresy.
03-06-2016, 05:16 PM
terminus

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Originally Posted by StraightSilver

Yeah pretty sure the Chris Wraight short story confirms the Blood Ravens are a Thousand Sons successor made up of the loyal guys that missed Prospero burn.

"Confirm" might be too strong a word, but yes, the Fourth Fellowship becoming the Ravens is as likely a story as any. We're supposedly going to get some details on the Sons that weren't on Prospero/teleported to Planet of the Sorcerers in the next book. Can't friggin' wait!! On the other hand, if they are White Scars successors, I could finally take advantage of all those broken WS rules without having to use the dull color scheme or over-the-top Marco Polo-style Mongorian stuff.

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Originally Posted by Haighus

Ahh, thanks. Well, it really wouldn't be at all surprising if it was Sigismund seeing as his fluff has him challenging every traitor commander he crossed paths with and defeating them all. He is also probably the single most deadly Astartes short of a Primarch in single combat in the entire Heresy.

I would say Sevatar could give him a challenge. Or Sigismund beats everybody up, then peels his face off Mission Impossible style, and turns out to be Alpharius.

Omegon being the crippled brother who ran the Ghost Legion and supports the Emperor vs. his space pirate/Horus's bff/"let's cause chaos for fun and profit" twin fits my own headcannon of where I think this whole thing is going.

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Originally Posted by Patrick Boyle

And I missed the "Magnus being a C'tan shard" bit. What? No, seriously, what? The greatest Psyker humanity has seen bar the Emperor is now somehow an embodiment of the antithesis of the warp? That is basically what the C'tan are, no?

I think you are reading that too literally. He's not an actual C'tan shard, but instead a shattered entity much like the C'tan. When he lost his corporeal form, he left behind several phantoms, like the one who hangs out with Horus, or the one who Lorgar meets on his sojourn, etc. So there are multiple Magnuses out there, some contrite, some arrogant, some benevolent, some full-blown Chaos, all pawns of Tzeench in one way or another. Poor Magnus.