So, [url=http://www.belloflostsouls.net/2015/07/age-of-sigmar-slaanesh-exits-stage-right.html]with it looking like Slaanesh is being removed from Age of Sigmar[/url], what do we feel about the possibility of this happening in 40K too?
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So, [url=http://www.belloflostsouls.net/2015/07/age-of-sigmar-slaanesh-exits-stage-right.html]with it looking like Slaanesh is being removed from Age of Sigmar[/url], what do we feel about the possibility of this happening in 40K too?
I'm not bothered either way really, but if they take Slananesh out of 40k then that's pretty huge. The Emperors Children are pretty closely entwined with the deity. Will be interesting to see if he / she is written out as never happened, or destroyed. 4 chaos gods is a must and would leave a vacume, so it would be great to introduce a new God.......but what would be its niche ?
Situations a bit different I think, since they've lumped Skaven with their own god the Horned Rat into the Chaos faction they were looking at having 5 Chaos Gods rather than 4. There's no extra 'Chaosy' god in the 40K verse that I'm aware of that has similar prominence as the Horned Rat. If they WERE to remove Slaanesh in 40K I would expect Fulgrim to either take advantage/have a hand in it and manage to ascend to full Godhood as a replacement. It would certainly be in keeping with his ambition and Character's evolution. Quite how he would differ in aspect to Slaanesh however is anyone's guess.
I would not like it, Slaanesh in 40k is much more essential to the Universe than he/she was to Fantasy - removing Slaanesh would have them re-write the Fall and subjequently all Eldar- and Dark Eldar-fluff (the relation to Dark Elves or High Elves in WHF was not as intertwined as it is 40k as far as I recall)
EDIT: and of course - poking a wasps' nest here - I always liked that Slaanesh and her/his Daemons (and in part the mortal followers) were more than bit outside the usual gender roles: Slaanesh can be male, female, both, neither and any shade in between; even if the not all of the sculpts looked like it Daemonettes are hemaphrodites; CSM followers of the Dark Prince tended to become more androgynous as time went on etc.
I like to think that this is a somewhat progressive shade of 40k, I rather would not miss - sure, inclusion as bad guys to almost everyone else in the universe isn't excatly ideal but it is better than no inclusion at all; it could be way better but at least it is there
Not convinced it is being removed in fantasy, has warscrolls and models, I put it down to lazy fluff writing.
I could see them doing almost anything these days really
would be the end of my 40k Id say,
I doubt Slaanesh in 40k is going anywhere. Too closely tied into the background (with the Fall of the Eldar, all those warp storms, the Emperor's Children etc.) in a way s/he wasn't really in (latter-day) Warhammer.
Personally I always felt it was just an excuse to scour t'internet for sexed-up pinup models and thus justify them with, "well, it's Slaanesh." However, I'm not going to rip stuff from the game that others enjoy just because I personally don't.
The rumours of Slaanesh being removed from AoS are ridiculous anyway. 40K has been age 12+ for a while IIRC, and all we have to go on is a small fluff excerpt that has no bearing on the crunch anyway...
I don't think the rumours are ridiculous but I agree that some of the "evidence" marshalled for them are. Like, yeah, 12+ is what they're always categorized as, it's the lowest you can go while selling a product with small pieces, knives and glue. ;)
Personally, I hope Morathi's spirit kicked Slaanesh in the gender-ambiguous unmentionables and took their mantle while Lord Tyrion was doing something improbably heroic. I can live with that.
As much as I've always found a lot of the focus on Slaanesh to be puerile and stupid, and vastly ignoring huge swaths of potentially interesting narrative in favor of "hurr breasts...", this would require a huge reworking of the Eldar.
http://i844.photobucket.com/albums/a...023e328c96.jpg
I'm going to leave this pic here, not looking good for Slannesh.
Where's the option that Slaanesh is gone because it's part of a story plot?
Meh, not going anywhere near kiddyhammer
Love how now that it looks like GW is going to get rid of slaanesh its all "blah blah praise the overlords and bellitle anyone that may have like the concept"
well done CG, expected no more from you
edit: that symbol is apparently the horned rat
That'd make some sense, but that isn't the Horned Rat's symbol. Unless they changed it!
apparently its used for him in End Times. But im seeing conflicting reports. Not sure if thats the way GW is going, but its a bad direction in my opinion
EDIT: Tell you what though, Im going to finish that Emp Children army im working on and the whole thing is going to be an over the top tribute to 80's metal art and a screw you to GW now for sure
I don't remember seeing the Horned Rat represented with a new rune in End Times - his sigil is the well-beloved Skaven triskele that's on everything skaven. It could be a redesign. I mean, they *are* horns!
There were always four chaos gods- even before the fall of the Eldar and birth of Slaanesh.
Slaanesh was born when the forth god of Chaos disappeared from the warp. This coincides precisely with the birth of the Emperor (and the stabilization of the warp, allowing the Emperor to conquer what is not the Imperium).
So- the forth chaos god was the Emperor once. I'm sure the seat will be filled again.
I would have to agree with you there, the chaos gods embodied something specific. Khorne, Nurgle, Tzeentch and Slaanesh all fit into the chaos quartet. They are like colour theory, different to each other yet weirdly complimentary. Khorne represents war, Nurgle is decay, Tzeentch is change and Slaanesh is excess. They work well as the four facets of chaos. Replacing Slaanesh with the horned rat ? What as a deity does he represent ?
Horned Rat doesn't really fit in the four, because he has aspects of some of the others already - Tzeentch and Nurgle, with an undercurrent of Khorne for the Warlord clans (well, a bit). I'd like the Skaven to be their own distinct thing. A Morathi or whatever switch could be a neat way to keep a Slaanesh-like god but refine their identity and aesthetic a bit, if they want to do that.
i think Id be actually sickQuote:
Look at the symbol in Thanqoul end time book at the bottom of a lot of the pages... Its the same thing and everyone knows skaven has officially joined chaos.
I think I know the image they mean, and it isn't the same at all. Could still be true, but that isn't 100% convincing.
I'd be sad, and it'd be a real blow to what little sense and credibility remains in 40K's background anymore. At the same time, Slaaneshi is treated very poorly anymore, focused mostly on lazy quasi-sexual winking jokes, ugly "fey" stereotypes and, of course, boobs. The whole idea of desire and bizarre excess is wider than that, and Slaanesh can be the creepiest Chaos God when done right - [URL="http://http://vignette1.wikia.nocookie.net/warhammer40k/images/f/ff/Video-Game-Warhammer-15926.jpg/revision/latest?cb=20090912161553"]this[/URL] piece of older art's a great example.
Link isn't working.
But if it's that pic of the big fatty boom boom, the one with the Klan style headgear, then yes!
Slaanesh = Excess.
Excess does not mean boobies, tallywhackers and lady-gardens.
link is starting with "http//" instead "http://"
Oh, shoot, doesn't seem to work from an independent link. Here, this:
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Not quote what you were thinking of, but I appreciate that old mini, too. Also, yes, excess. Slaanesh is the [URL="http://https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hedonic_treadmill"]Hedonic Treadmill[/URL] given warp form - urges always being sated, then coming back and needing more. More eyes to see with, more mouths to taste with, more...well, everything. Think Hellraiser. The socially-acceptable bounds of pleasure-seeking (ie. da boobiez and other current Slaanesh foci) are the sort of things that sit below the very first step on the Slaaneshi road to ruin.
It's more Hellraiser 3, Hell on Earth. When Pinhead is no longer bound by the laws of hell, following the demise of Leviathan :p
Consider what Fabius did for/too the Emperor's Children. Enabled them to see better, hear better. Sensory upgrades enabled them to take pleasure in far, far more things. And that's what Slaanesh is about.
For instance - there's a box of Donuts on my desk. We got them from a colleague the team helped out massively. I did an excess of work - out of a target of 160 each, and a team target of 1,200, I walloped through 300. So already, just by my efforts and desire to be the best, I just fed Slaanesh a little sliver. I've had two donuts already this morning, when arguably I should have stuck at one. Little tidbit goes to Slaanesh.
Now, were I a Slaaneshi follower, I'd have probably scoffed all the Donuts, pleasing Slaanesh in a very non-kinky way.
All night gaming sessions on your favourite game (Arkham Knight for me at the moment) - that's excessive. Slaanesh loves that. Especially if it's more than one night in a row and leads to sleep deprivation. Had a weekend long gaming sesh, and still went into work early doors despite only three hours not-very-good sleep? Wow. Burning the candles at both ends (next week, I'm scheduled to work 11am - 7pm. Only the latest I can get in for due to existing travel arrangements is around 7:50, so 11 hour working day because I'm not normally one to twiddle my thumbs when I could be sorting out complaints) now you're really rocking the Slaaneshi vibe.
And all without fleshy bits being exposed etc.
I think a better more layered (and contempoary-accessable) metaphor would be Sorcesese's "The Wolf of Wall Street" ... both in terms of reception of the teasing content and the actual content
I mean compare [url=https://youtu.be/pabEtIERlic]this trailer[/url] to the actual move ... almost the same relation between the slaaneshi models and fluff content of Slaanesh
a day without Slaanesh
is like a day, without sunshine
It would make no sense, you can't write the warp as a reflection of strong emotion and completely delete lust from it.
Slaanesh should stay.
Exhibit A:
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it is difficult. Slaanesh might go, but I am not convinced by the reasoning put forward. I started Warhammer when I was 12 and Slaanesh was perfectly easy to understand, and didn't pose any sort of issue in terms of models or background. I don't think it is unsuitable, nor do I think they have actually over emphasised the lust part, I think that is just what people have fixated on.
Lord Tyrion captures Slaanesh
New God take his/her place
Retcon the birth of him/her in 40k to just being freed from captivity due to Eldar
I'm not sure it'll be anything like that....
Much more likely Slaanesh gets 'captured' then has a wee binge, scoffing so many Elves there's a shift in the general character of the God to becoming more Fey.
If they got rid of slaanesh (which they haven't and probably won't) it would be because of what the immature fan base has turned slaanesh into, to most gamers, thanks to the 4chan/tg/ meme , slaanesh is a God of kinky sex and boobs and jokes about cocaine by people who've never taken coke in their lives.
Slaanesh in most gamers eyes is no longer about excess but sex and honestly, if that stops some kids from being allowed to do the hobby, we're better off without it.
Hopefully Slaanesh stays even if they find a way to filter out the ridiculously out of proportion sex and drugs aspect. The god's about all excess after all.
There's no reason why a change in Age of Sigmar needs to mean a change in 40k, by the way, they're different (but possibly linked) universes. There's no need for a "retcon".
All I can really add so far is that the guy at my local store commented on how he's seen "new slaanesh models" coming and that I can point out the excerpt quote only says that Tyrion left to capture Slaanesh, not that he had. We'll probably see a redesign for 'Nesh, less adulty.
It's not like Slaanesh is even that big on sex, anyway. People only associate that because it's just the simplest thing. But the immaculate, prim and perfectly proper butler would worship to Slaanesh to be the Perfect Servant. The fat man in the age old Monty Python sketch who ate himself to explosion would be Slaanesh. Cenobites, the horror movie Leprechaun, Gremlins, the swordsmith Muramasa, all that reeks of Slaanesh.
Honestly, Khorne is the poster boy for Chaos, hell, the Star has 8 points. But even he had a facelift. I wouldn't be surprised if what we have happen is that Tyrion shows up only to find out Slaanesh had done the unthinkable and slaked his appetite, and evolved into something new and more dangerous. Actually, I'd love that.