So, [URL="http://natfka.blogspot.com/2014/04/7th-edition-release-date.html"]multiple[/URL] [URL="http://www.bolterandchainsword.com/topic/290277-gw-withdraw-dark-vengeance-rulebook-psyker-cards/"]reports[/URL] that the 6th Edition rulebook, psychic cards and Dark Vengeance starter are all unavailable for order as of today, both for stores and on the web.
Looks like 7th Edition's on its way, folks. According to Natfka, we'll see a release on May 24th. Let's hope for the best.
Still up for sale on the GW.UK site....
Though I am surprised at the release date, if it is true. GW would usually drop a new Ruleset just before the schools summer holiday in June/July ready for Gamesday in September... so 31st May might be possible.
Just checked: the core rules are "No Longer Available" in the US.
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Pretty exciting.Quote:
Originally Posted by Lexington
Shall I begin the rampant speculation as to the changes?
Allies Matrix is going to get changed and either Battle Brothers disappears completely or its changed in a manner so that you cannot transfer powers/abilities between units from different FOC's/Codexes.
Psychic powers are going to change and I think you'll see some warp charge 2 divination powers and a change to prescience. The IG PBS and the farseer powers both lead me to believe that Divination is the going to change. I also think that the powers that Bugs have access to will change for the better, and Pyromancy will get some nasty goodies.
USRs get an overhaul. Skyfire no longer will snap fire on ground targets but wont be as good at hitting flyers. Ignores cover will take away shrouded/stealth.
Challenges will become less of a "bad decision vs an even worse decision" for the underdog.
Escalation (hopefully) and Stronghold assault become just part of the core rulebook.
This makes me feel a lot of panic...
Someone in the UK on another board checked the UK version. It's listed as "available" but apparently you can't add it to your cart.
Wild Speculation (or Precognitive Decree, depending on correctness): Not actually 7th edition, most rules will not change, will only add lords of war and maybe a smattering of other extra rules that are currently available in supplemental rule sets. Book will have a different picture, box set will have new miniatures.
Also the new boxed set will cost a bit more but come with a really nice hardcover mini rulebook instead of a flimsy softcover one.
I guess Allies Matrix is getting an overhaul but I dont think that they will change the whole concept. Allies can be toned down quite a bit if you have to remain in your original FOC (so Baron in Jetseer would mean no 2nd farseer, no 4 drakes,...).Quote:
Originally Posted by Defenestratus
Basic psychic powers will get adjusted. Pyromancy is lacking... I mean wft 2 WP for a melter shot? Dont think that codex powers will get changed (unless they change more general SR like witchfire,... )
USR will get an overhaul, there are too many atm and codices bring even more (partly with the same wording but another name)
Challenges need a change. But not for the reason you mentioned, as they are punishing strong models and in fact favor the underdog. Scared of that 10 attacks khorne lord eating your imperial squad? Step forwards sergant receive your single wound and save 9 other guardsmen. Glorious concept.
Dont mind Escalation or Stronghold if they get rid of the "look I pointed at your army and it went BOOM!" weapons.
I'd put some honest money on Allies being expanded, rather than limited. That's easy bank for GW without needing to spend a dime.
Damn! I was really hoping they would finish updating the Codexes before a new edition came out. I wish just once they could finish one job before starting another. What's going to happen to all the codexes out so far? Of course they will still be playable, but how will they fair against stuff written for 7th. Same old mistakes every flipping time. Gosh darn it! :mad:
Its the "not 7th" edition. More of a 6.1 than a new edition... not much changes probably.
Given half the 6th codexes already fair pretty poorly against the other half I don't see how it could get worse...Quote:
Originally Posted by PaD
Starter set says its still available. I am excited IF this is a move toward an update to the rules.
Things are still available on the site but won't get added to a basket to buy
Yep. You can't add the BRB, though the mini rules book is still available to buy, as are the e-rules. Which seems odd. Surely the mini-rules would go if they were being changed. Makes me think that it may just be adding stuff to the BRB, rather than changing the rules.
Im sure there was a rumour floating around about an updated rule set coming out. Not 7th but a new boxed set with blood angels and orks. Is this maybe why they are dropping these items.Quote:
Originally Posted by Clockwork
Not 7th but faqs added.
Curious to see what, if anything happens to the Psychic Power tables, Battle Brothers charts and Warlord Traits. Please - Let there be FAQ's!!
I'm sure that no matter what changes our friendly Chaos Space Marine players will complain the loudest - It is tradition.... ;)
I'm running a tournament on May 31st - it may be our last shot at 6th edition!
Someone pass me the salt, I need to add more to this huge pile of salt.
Im sure there was a rumour floating around about an updated rule set coming out. Not 7th but a new boxed set with blood angels and orks. Is this maybe why they are dropping these items.Quote:
Originally Posted by Clockwork
Not 7th but faqs added.
Has anyone considered that it might be this new "mini game" mentioned in WDD issue 13?
I cant believe people are excited about this?
Its been 2 years since 6th dropped, thats an insultingly short time to try and drop a new edition on people.
And before you go on about the game and balance, who do you think broke it? They did.
edit: my best hope is that they are re-releasing 6th with the changes added. But I'm not going to think about that too much as it would be the first time GW actually lived up to one of my hopes
I feel like I want to be credited for the money I spent on that new hard cover mini rule book they put out less than a year ago.
I agree im hoping this will be an update and not something that requires a new purchase thankfully i got my 6th edition book at half off due to their poor sales at one of my local stores but a looming 60-80 dollar purchase wont be welcome in place of my desire to get a few taurox primes soon
for me, it wont be a purchase, not this time. If I do get it it will be from a mate
Thing is, are they coming up with a new Edition or are they forcing individuals who want the rulebook to get the digital version?Quote:
Originally Posted by daboarder
Hardback rulebook cost them money to produce.
Digital version is far cheaper since there are no printing costs.
GW wants to cut costs and getting rid of the Printing Costs of the Hardback Rulebook will be a huge savings for them.
The signs are pointing at a new edition.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sainhann
we're getting word that the infamous tagline, No peace, no respite, only war. is being used again, specifically (no time for peace...) and that has historically been the herald of a new edition.
as I said, I hope its not, I really want it to be just a new version of the rule book but the cynic in me thinks otherwise
My Dark Eldar want to know if they can get assaulting out of reserves back, pretty please?
I really only care about the new edition if the rumored starter set is true. New pushfit Ork models are always welcome, especially if they're meganobz!
I just don't think 6th has been around long enough, I'll be massively upset if they do change it.
That been said I think there is just too much smoke here for there to be no fire.
Things I can see changing:
Assault consolidate into assault
D12 Psychic powers per set (sell more cards)
Lords of War & Strong Hold Assault added
New Missions
Saltier stuff...
Allies being changed somehow, perhaps Battle Bros nerf or boost (ICs allowed in allied Transports?)
FOC being changed somehow
Walkers to get something extra
Pistols to use AP in CC (this would make Dante and BA ridiculous again)
I know what you mean, on the one hand I am excited, new stuff! On the other it's been two years.Quote:
Originally Posted by daboarder
To put it into perspective, one of my mates has managed one game under 6th, that was last night...
Personally, I don't like the idea of having to buy another friggen BRB just because GW want's to make a bundle of fast cash by printing "new" copies of a more "up to date" rulebook. I'll wait to see if the new starter set includes a rulebook that contains all the new additions to whatever they make.
Has anyone emailed/'phoned customer support to ask why this products aren't available?
Personally, I've always waited to actually see the Monster before grabbing my pitchfork, burning brand and noose.
All too often the 'monster' was just a hedgehog all along.
yawn!:rolleyes:Quote:
Originally Posted by Mr Mystery
Personally I've always found it funny that people see pitchforks raising where there isnt.
A certain pattern of well recorded behavior let's you be prepared for said "monster" beforehand.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mr Mystery
And some people are in dire need of cultivating a sense of humour.Quote:
Originally Posted by daboarder
TrueQuote:
Originally Posted by Mr Mystery
Wasn't there a rumour of a new 6th ed starter set in June? Not 7th edition.
Maybe there will be a tweaked rule book and a free pdf of changes for people with the 6th edition book.
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Also, if people think 6th is fine and don't want to buy the book, don't, carry on playing the game you like playing.
Yeah, the 6.5th. Orks vs Bangles I'll have 17 please!Quote:
Originally Posted by eldargal
Unfortunately GWs staggered codex/BRB releases makes this very hard.Quote:
Originally Posted by Lord Asterion
No one want to play a book that was not written for the edition they are playing in therefore the only way that would be a serious consideration to most groups would be for all codexes to have been released in a single edition (like 3rd).
Personally this was what I had been hoping 6th was going to be, ah well guess I wont have that voice in my head urging me to buy all the collectors editions for completions sake