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The steam is easily worth it's points and then some. Anyone who argues otherwise just hasn't had enough experience to know better.

You can convert (proxy) a cauldron very easily with a what-a burger ketchup painted brown or metallic on a 40mm base. Then add 3 witches, or even 2 warriors and the sorc around it and you've got a...

Also, you're looking the wrong direction. You have too much defense. 3 dice, 2 scrolls, and the ring should be plenty. You should be zipping across the board into combat. Sure you might lose some...

I'm checking back after not looking at this thread in a while, and you went from a list that is way under powered to a list that is way over powered, but if the goal is to compete with cheese, you're...

After going to Adepticon for the second year now to play in this event, I don't think I'll ever travel to go to another four game tourney. I'm spoiled on the five game format.

If Adepticon moved...

I second that.

Salamanders = Scary
Razordons = Fluffy

Wood Elves create serious problems for Dark Elves running Black Guard.

I'll just respond to the dark elf critiques since I play them and we could go on for days about daemons.

Ring of Hotek - I agree with your assesment, but think it would be more balanced if it cost...

The builds they refer to are also not point for point the same. It's just that the "only" consistently competitive lists from some army books have many of the same components.

The Warriors list...

You might want to take out the giant for another unit of knights. I think you'll find them more reliable.

Take out the warriors as well since they really add nothing to your list. Maybe 2 more...

I could write for a while giving you advice on Dark Elves.

But since you picked up some models, I figure we'll start there.

I personally take 1 unit of 20 Warriors with full command and...

Agreed

If you want to make if fight well try

Blood Drinker
Crown of the Damned
Cadaverous Curiass
Power Stone

Dread Knight
Red Fury
Infinite Hatred

Also when you reform no model in the unit can travel more than double its base movement rate.

Why would you take 1 unit of 20 as opposed to 2 units of 10? I can't think of any reason to... :confused:

This should be cool. I'm looking forward to it.

It also doesn't seem like you want many suggestions.