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All depends on the average points-costs range in your area, I suppose. I play with a bunch of other fellows who've been in the hobby for a large number of years, and 1,500-1,850 got boring for us a...

Right, because WS: 9, I: 8 is so much worse than WS: 7 I: 5 in the Daemon 'dex.

Don't forget, you can Mark Oblits now as well.

That sounds like one nasty list.

Don't count the Daemon Princes out yet, we haven't seen the Chaos Artefacts table, from which they can take items.

3 points on a power-fist Space Marine sergeant is the difference between being hit on a 4 and being hit on a 5. And even 1 point on said Sergeant is the difference between hitting on a 4 and hitting...

Are people just purposefully not looking at the Chaos Artefacts page? I mean, come on. What the heck?

I think the issue you gents aren't addressing is the respective point-size that you fellows play. The Jeske seems to play 1500 point games. At my FLGS and with my play-group, we normally play...

I imagine that a Space Marine, who has already been made immune to most kinds of common poisons and toxins through the oolitic kidney and multi-lung, and who then has his body filled with a rather...

An IG player, complaining about Codex Creep.

The irony is not lost on me.

Archaon the Everchosen, because he has a cool name. Who cares if he's almost 700 points?

I really love it so far - gives me hope for an Honor Harrington HBO adaptation someday.

Only reason Ahriman can do that is because of the Black Staff.

Yeah, I've decided to go ahead and invest in the "starter" set - so much for what you buy! 40 miniatures, two two x three foot game mats, ship books... @_@ And the fleet additions are CHEAP. Way...

Oh, I meant Chaos Space Marines. I play Daemons...but really, just in Apocalypse.

And then when the next Chaos Codex comes out there's gonna be something in there about "a Daemon that gives even Draigo pause" or some massacre of an entire Grey Knight Brotherhood, and then MY bias...

I certainly hope so - I really like the Tomb Kings not being "evil" undead.

"My bias is better than your bias." ;)

Awesome model.

I really like the horns. >>

Maybe some, but not the "main" Tomb King's army...I remember that being his thing, like he only woke up when his lands were threatened or something, which I thought was really cool.

Space Marines are sterile, not castrated. Just read the Space Wolves codex.

They didn't want to conquer the world before, they just wanted to keep people out of Khemri.

They're not sterile, and they're not chaste.

Dreadknights only have 5++'s.

Well, from what I've heard, this is a great game, but I'm looking for some third and fourth opinions. :) But yes, I agree, Honor Harrington is amazing - my second favorite series of books of all...

Here's a link to it: http://www.adastragames.com/products/adastra/sits.html

I really like what I hear about the stacking bases - to help with the 3D combat bit - and the tilt bases let you roll...