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    I didnt go into tactics, because this thread isnt...

    I didnt go into tactics, because this thread isnt really about orks, but I assumed anyone here who played orks would know to use battlewagons, shoot with some of the burnas/allocate the first wounds...
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    Boys won't tie up GK, they'll die horribly from...

    Boys won't tie up GK, they'll die horribly from purifying flame and disintegrate when they lose combat due to fearless. Its not that Ghaz with nobz wouldn't kill any GK, but Ghaz+8 Nobz w/PK (and...
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    Alright, let's look at it like this: Start with a...

    Alright, let's look at it like this: Start with a tactical marine at 16 points.

    Upgrade to a power weapon is +15 points in the Space Marine Codex. Obviously, when its extended to a whole squad in...
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    For 4 points you get: -Upgrade to storm bolter...

    For 4 points you get:

    -Upgrade to storm bolter
    -Force weapons
    -Psykout grenades
    -Aegis
    -Reroll misses against Daemons
    -Psyker powers
    -Free deepstriking (Not that great, but still)
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    Without runes or a hood the chance of succes is...

    Without runes or a hood the chance of succes is around 90%. As far as warhammer goes, where a guardsmen has a 50% of hitting a baneblade he's an inch away from, that's pretty reliable. The chance of...
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    The 85 points is for a Pred with a twin linked...

    The 85 points is for a Pred with a twin linked lascannon replacing the autocannon. You can make better configs, but it's a little more of a direct comparison. You don't normally need that much...
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    The problem no one has talked about yet is the...

    The problem no one has talked about yet is the whole henchmen unit group.

    Grey Knights got psycannons to make up for not having melta...but they do have melta, and they can do melta for even...
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    Lol, not that anything you said was wrong, but...

    Lol, not that anything you said was wrong, but just the way you said it:

    Don't support these knockoffs instead of GW!
    Support Ebay instead of GW! :P
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    Yes. Going heavy on havocs/predators. Oblits are...

    Yes. Going heavy on havocs/predators. Oblits are usually great, but you just won't need other weapons then lascannon (multimelta won't get extra D6 penetration, eldar don't have the armor saves to...
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    It depends on what army you have. In general, the...

    It depends on what army you have. In general, the way to counter it is with lots of long range shots. Eldar max at AV12, so things like autocannons/assault cannons are better then melta. Shoot at...
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    Strength 6 spam is also common, especially...

    Strength 6 spam is also common, especially combined with mech lists. Units like warwalkers can put out a ton of strength six shots for their points (I believe its 24 S6 shots from a full scatter...
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    My point is more that it leaves a bad taste with...

    My point is more that it leaves a bad taste with many people, including fans, when a company that has borrowed so liberally from other sources without trouble brings up IP at all. If you think that...
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    Don't quote me on this, but from what I've heard...

    Don't quote me on this, but from what I've heard from some sources it sounds like the German law wasn't really understood well by GW. While I'm not 100%, the fact that the new sanctioned one is...
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    I feel that C:Sm has aged really well, all things...

    I feel that C:Sm has aged really well, all things considering; it would be brutal for them to start updating 5 ed codices with anachronisms like Witch Hunters, Chaos and Eldar running around, but I...
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    They do get crazy about them. Look at what...

    They do get crazy about them. Look at what they've done with things like fan movies (Damnatus) for starters.
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    Sort of like Games Workshop profiting from...

    Sort of like Games Workshop profiting from Necrons popularized by the concepts in Terminator, Tyranids by the concepts in Alien, or Space Marines from the power armored, xenophobic, slightly fascist,...
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    My guess is Dark Angels vs Chaos (fallen?) for 6...

    My guess is Dark Angels vs Chaos (fallen?) for 6 ed, as it would help kick off two armies which have not been updated for a long, long time. Both have players that would love to buy new armies for...
  18. Pretty solid. If I were you I'd drop the looted...

    Pretty solid. If I were you I'd drop the looted wagon, same as him, I've never seen it really preform. I'd take those points and upgrade the Nob trukk to another battlewagon w/deff rolla. Its a lot...
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    Relax, relax, I play orks (and eldar) so this...

    Relax, relax, I play orks (and eldar) so this isn't just skimming the codex or theory-hammer. And as I said before, I think that they're great in this edition, so you don't have to convince me. I...
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    Let me put it this way; for 250 points you can...

    Let me put it this way; for 250 points you can get a LR Godhammer with a twin linked lascannon, or for 105 points you could get a predator with a twin linked lascannon, or for 165 points you can get...
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    If I were you I would drop the exarch; in my...

    If I were you I would drop the exarch; in my experience he just isn't worth it for DA and that saves you 57 points. I would drop one war walker and then you could pick up a Fire Prism with those...
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    Poll: I tend to prefer the predator, firstly because...

    I tend to prefer the predator, firstly because marines usually already have short range covered, and the vindicator is 24" ordnance. :/ Secondly, for the same cost you can get a predator with an...
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    I forgot about combat resolution, that's a good...

    I forgot about combat resolution, that's a good point. Nobz are a bad choice though, remember that the max unit size is just 10. Even assuming that the squad reaches GK lines without any other...
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    Guard are good against GK, I agree with that. A...

    Guard are good against GK, I agree with that. A barrage of leman russ shots alone is a good strategy against Draigowing for new players. Same with eldar, as I posted basically at the same time as...
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    Oddly enough, I think mech eldar may be one of...

    Oddly enough, I think mech eldar may be one of the strongest armies against GK. A decked out farseer can suppress psyker abilities really well, while the eldar have a lot of fast vehicles with long...
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