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Blood Angel specialty troops all have critical flaws. BA ASM likely lack the crunch you are looking for. I don't know the specifics of the BT off the top of my head, but they may be better for a TAC...

It's also possible that since BA are popular where I play, everyone who is any good has figured out exactly where they are weak in 6th and just exploit it over and over. I have demonstrated how...

It's true that my playgroup has a tendency to field the nastiest stuff they can come up with. Many people have worked Vendettas into every list possible that can ally with IG. This is great for GW...

"I agree, though that wasn't the point I was making. I was saying "we're having the wrong conversation." Additionally, I agree with you that the Blood Angels don't make excellent...

They should come to my neck of the woods. While playing a TAC list. They can get THEIR headed pounded over and over.

I never said the Stormraven was poor. I said it was mediocre. And a poor...

It's not even this good, though. If you try to use the BA the way you describe, you're still significantly outclassed by vanilla marines, Space Cheese, and Dark Angels. At the moment, the BA are...

I've been over this. The Stormraven sucks as a transport. If you load troops and/or dreadnought into it, and roll a 1 or 2 for entry on turn 2, you are in deep trouble. And it will not destroy equal...

That's true, but now FC sucks for the BA. It's still fine for the Orks, of course though. So I'm paying for the same sanguinary priest with one whole wound and now one of the abilities he grants...

It's only dire in a TAC situation. As I said, the BA can be tailored to any given foe to be pretty competitive. But if you just build a BA list for general usage, you will run into list after list...

Making other fliers look bad by comparison *is* making them bad. Especially in a game of direct conflict. It's not like an MMORPG where one class can out dps the other. If they both can kill the...

It's not that I don't personally favor it. I actually think it would be kind of cool. But it's an *insane* thing to do under the current rules. A loaded Stormraven, even if its the only thing your...

Amusingly enough, the Stormraven was also written before the flier rules. That's why it was unfieldable in 5th. An AV 12 skimmer for its price point? Give me a break. The Vendetta was mediocre in...

The problem is the BA pay for everything you listed. And in 6th edition, they pay too much. Again, everything you said is true, but then your opponent gets a turn and all the plans and schemes turn...

Vendettas don't cost much more than dreadnoughts. It's like getting flying for free. No matter what you use to shoot down Vendettas, the IG are still ahead of the curve. Unless they had troops in...

Not really. The neighboring city has the same issue. I prefer to play RAW, as to not get a varied experience from tourney to tourney and store to store. And I also addressed why even without the...

To address the OP, though, I don't think that GW hates the BA at all. I see the current state of the BA as just a comedy of small nerfs that synergize to be a massive nerf. Most units in the codex...

Everything is relative. In my play area, IG allies or IG main forces are very common. The Vendetta has to be the measuring stick. At least for me. The stormraven can not be safely used as a...

The vanilla dex can field much better TAC lists than the BA. At the current moment, especially with the reduction in the storm talon point value, the vanilla codex, while middling in my opinion, is...

In theory this sounds good, but the stormraven is so expensive and the Vendetta is so good at shooting them down, against an air cav list, I'd rather have zero stormravens and take my chance. The...

The Vendetta exists. People bring them. That's all that matters. They are the measuring stick. The Stormraven is extremely poor in comparison. And for causing damage to the enemy ground forces and...

In my local meta, the meqs have been knocked down a notch for sure. I'm sure what this entitlement of which you speak is all about. All the best meq lists in 6th are not codex astartes marines, so...

The BA basically overpay across the board by 6th edition standards. They are now very pedestrian in HTH, which is a serious problem for a list built around ASM. The BA are a true trap codex, as we...

For the OP: The BA have excellent fluff, but have taken some hits in the competition department in 6th edition.

For the good:

1) FNP works vs more stuff, but is only a 5++. I still call this a...

I don't use honor guard, either. Too expensive for my taste. I just use them on plain ol sergeants from time to time. I consider it a bit pricey to put in a take all comers list though. You could end...

Anyone else have any thoughts? I know we're kind of talking about orthogonal points here. My take: Dual hand flamers are decent, but not on vanguard, because the vanguard themselves are disasters....