Ork boyz should be strength 4

[mstersmith]

Because Orks are crap. Just my 2 cents on that and I play the army. Honestly I would rathe r***** about fearless saves. Why the **** would I want to risk my boyz being slaughtered by a retarded save I am forced to take in cc? C'mon you kill 15 of my 30 boyz and suddenly the other 15, what take a header along the way? I think there is other things to bitvh about man.

[Kahoolin]

Because Orks are crap. Just my 2 cents on that and I play the army. Honestly I would rathe r***** about fearless saves. Why the **** would I want to risk my boyz being slaughtered by a retarded save I am forced to take in cc? C'mon you kill 15 of my 30 boyz and suddenly the other 15, what take a header along the way? I think there is other things to bitvh about man.

Lol, what the hell is r*****?

And I agree with Melissia. Should be but aren't because it would be cheaty. S3 + Furious Charge is a better representation.

[Melissia]

Because Orks are crap.

I'm not even going to touch this trollbait.

[Aldramelech]

I'm not even going to touch this trollbait.

Oh go on, you know you want to

[mstersmith]

I'm not even going to touch this trollbait.

Not trolling just my opinion. Sorry if I dont agree with majority and have been playing Orks for some time. With each new dex that is released there effectivness is slowly detereating. Anyhoo I dont need to justify it to you or any one else and fully understand this guys frustration.

[gcsmith]

So the army went from doing ok to competative in the latest edition and yet, their effectiveness went down?
Sure you don't have to prove yourself, but orks are at the best I have ever seen.

Seems like bad players will just stay bad and blame their book.
Now if you played tau, crons, sob or gk, I would believe you.
But orks seriously?

[DarkLink]

Anyhoo I dont need to justify it to you or any one else and fully understand this guys frustration.

So why bother with this post?

[Connjurus]

Orks on average are, in the d100 system of Dark Heresy and Rogue Trader, roughly ~45-55. Humans are on average ~25-35. Ork Nobz are ~55-65 with Unnatural Strength. Astartes are roughly ~40-50, with Unnatural Strength. Unnatural Strength increases the bonus that one gets from one's strength stat, but doesn't actually increase one's strength stat.

I forget, do Space Marine's power armor also add Strength? Been a while...I really need to start playing DH again.

[mstersmith]

So the army went from doing ok to competative in the latest edition and yet, their effectiveness went down?
Sure you don't have to prove yourself, but orks are at the best I have ever seen.

Seems like bad players will just stay bad and blame their book.
Now if you played tau, crons, sob or gk, I would believe you.
But orks seriously?

I am not asking for what this guy wants. Str4? Not needed. When you take 15 wounds on a mob of 30 boyz and turn around and pull 10 more do to fearless saves, its a kick in the junk. I believe I let my frustration at my showing on Sat show in my post. Nobz are fine, Ork boyz catch the shaft. I play Orks not Nobz. I understand that if I built a list running nobz with the wound sillyness (which should be fixed) BW, possibly Nob Bikers and a Kff ya its a damn near unstopable.

I also have to take a jab at victory points. You are going to sacrafice some if you play horde which I do. Specificly Kann wall. Is it effective? Sure. As effective as it was say a year ago? Not really. I have over 150 fully painted boyz. Hell my whole army almost 4k worth is painted. I love my Orks. The steep learning curve has taken its tole. A few tweaks though and they are golden. Grabbing a second army because I honestly love the game. Appologies for the attitude.

[fuzzbuket]

orks arent meant to be superhuman hulks (in both meanings :P) just meatshields with fists