Forge World army lists

[Grabula]

How legal are the army lists in the Imperial Armor books? Are they tourney legal? I've seen a couple of fun lists that don't seem to be too off balance but it would require some extra purchases. I've never seen anyone play one nor honestly have I seen anyone use a forge world unit or model outside of the occasional apocolypse game.

[hisdudeness]

As always, ask the TO. They decide what is allowed or not. Otherwise, they are just as legal as any other list.

Forgeworld lists are not over powered. Most are very specialized and have huge weaknesses. The rest add a little flavor to a codex.

[Grabula]

I think any specialized list will likely have weaknesses but I'm typically one of those players who likes to play themed lists whether they're winning lists or not.

[aztex3400]

In general they are not allowed. Even in most "normal" play, most folks don't use them, but always ask. I think that this is one of the main weakness of FW

[SotonShades]

In general they are not allowed. Even in most "normal" play, most folks don't use them, but always ask. I think that this is one of the main weakness of FW

I wouldn't say they aren't allowed in general; every tournament I have been to in the last 6 years has allowed FW lists, even FW models in normal lists since the updates for IA 1 & 2 came out. FW models used to be an automatic no-no as they were often overpowered, despite being expensive. However in recent years FW has worked much more closely with the GW development team to tone down their rules to match them into the exhisting rules for the game. As hisdudeness pointed out, they are no longer the normal codex list with a few over powered units in, but very different and highly specialised lists that add a slightly different flavour to exhisting armies. Sure they do have some quite powerful/effective units, but their speciality does often give them quite glaring weaknesses that can be quite difficult to work around/easy for your opponant to exploit.

Check with your TO. They are usually ok with them, especially as you will rarely see them on the top table though I suspect that is more because people are less used to using them so haven't honed and optimised their list quite as much. Personal opinion though. Out of curiosity, which list/book where you thinking of taking? I'm a big fan of the Armoured Battlegroup list myself

[I NoSe]

SotonShades is right about those weaknesses. I play both DKoK and Elysians and both have a big weakness. The Death Korps lack mobility while the Elysians run all the risks that come with having the option of deep striking your entire army, oh not to mention no tanks.

[hisdudeness]

Be careful, there is a diffence between using the models as 'count as' and using the FW rules/lists. Most people have no problem with the models being used and would be hard pressed to find a TO that would not allow them.

The rules are a different matter. I have seen very few TOs allow FW rules/lists. The stigma that FW rules are overpowered risks driving away pure tournament players that generally don't like surprises.

I run Elysian and Red Scorpion armies. I carry Codex Marine and IG list versions for people that are just dead set against FW, but I rarely ever have to pull them out.

[The West Coast Knight]

This again??
I have 4 full Forge World armies Death Korp, Elysians.Chaos Renegades and a Dred Mob
And now starting a Tyrants Legion
All are legal fun and as it says on the front cover of all the books now OFFICIAL EXPANSION.
If someone wants to refuse to play me because I use models created and produced by Games workshop but just in a different material then plastic or metal I will find someone else to have a game with.

[justsam]

my club generally doesn't have many FW models outside of apoc, though we will be running a badab war campaign over the summer for everyone to get the taste in their mouth. after that, who knows? personally, as a casual player, i wouldn't mind facing one of these lists, as long as i knew about it beforehand

[murrburger]

I wouldn't mind as long as you asked me beforehand and let me read your book for a bit. : ) (I haven't read many FW rules because the books are quite expensive)

Most things are overcosted, but there a a few 'offenders'. (Achilles and Dreadnought Drop Pod)

I just wish they would release more Non Imperial/Non Ork/Non Tau things. I'm excited for the new Eldar stuff, and might pick up the upcoming book.