Scale of 40k not true to life... opinions?

[Aitrus]

What is bad is that you can take 12 Marines in a drop pod and their are only harnesses for 10.

lol Yeah, last two drew the short straw and have to stand, hoping that their legs don't become mush upon impact. Either that, or they get to cling to the roof.

[Clothar]

I agree, they are too small! It is rediculous to see a space marine (or even worse: a terminator!) right next to a guardsmen, same for the tanks. While it may not be practicable to increase the size of the tanks too much, I would apreciate just a little bit bigger Space Marines (or smaller normal humans) and they would still fit in any box, because there are still larger infantry models around like symbionts for example...

[terricon4]

Just thought of something. A lot of people have current marine armies. Imagine re sculpting the whole range to be bigger, now if you want to use your old minis as well this would look really bad on the tabletop.

[Xar]

Having things a tad small keeps the price from getting worse, and makes storage, transport, and gameplay easier. The benefits outway the need to scale everything perfectly.

[Nabterayl]

The biggest scale weirdness I see is the scale of the models compared to the scale of the ranges. The length of a Razorback is 1/8 the effective range of a heavy bolter? Which is itself only 36 times the height of a Guardsman? And only three times the effective range of a pistol? What? :P

It works on the tabletop, of course, and I wouldn't want them to change it for practicality reasons. But ranges are pretty clearly not in scale with the models, or even with each other.

[Orlock]

I was fortunate enough to have a discussion with Rick Priestly a few yearrs ago about scales. In a nutshell it is all about 'abstracts', especially when it comes to 40K. He used the Rhino as a good example of what we are talking about here. In reality a Rhino would be much larger, Space Marines taller etc. But the bottom line is making sure the game is playable.

I have played an older game written by Bryan Ansell - Laserburn/Imperial Commander and ranges are pretty awe inspiring compared to 40K. The game is fasst and furious and things die even more quickly than in 40K. Anyhow that's my two pennies worth.

[Denzark]

Wasn't the scaling given on a previous BoLs mainsite posting? Something like heads 1:48 whilst bodies were 1:60 with limbs 1:50. Or some such nonsense. Supposedly to exaggerate the features and make them easier to pant whilst keeping the bodies sizes down.

Vehicles tend to scale around 1:48 - when I use 20th century tank kits to turret swap for vanquishers a Guard coming out of this hatch doesn't look too bad. 1:32 is right out.

What bugs me about scaling is not just the 'you can never fit that many in the vehicle' but things like the leman Russ turrets - looking at the size of the shells, how are you going to fit a gunner and the breach of the gun in the turret?

[KnightShift]

I think the scales might be fairly accurate. Military vehicles are designed to expedite personnel to the front lines as quickly as possible so that said personnel can proceed to break things and kill people. Personal comfort is going to be a very distant second

Besides, these are hardened Space Marines we're talking about: they're used to it. I've seen military aircraft and ground transports in real life that you'd *never* believe could carry the complement that they do. Yet it's not only possible, but routine.

Granted, it's probably not the most fun ride inside a Rhino or whatever... but it gets the job done

[Drunkencorgimaster]

Please quit asking for bigger models! You've got them!

GW has done nothing BUT make the models bigger and bigger and bigger. For Pity's sake, look at the figures they made in the past. They were 25mm at most. The new Terminiators are 30mm at least. What do you want???? 54mm? Just go ahead and play Inquisitor if you can't handle the current line.

There is nothing, and I mean nothing that gets me hotter under the collar than scale creep. My guess is that there are very few old schoolers in the "We want it bigger!" crowd b/c scale creep makes one's old figures look absurd. New players: Just wait a few years when your beautiful 30mm collections are getting dwarfed by 35mm figures and even newer players are screaming for 40mm figures. You will know how we old geezers feel.

Furthermore, how much oversized crap can you fit on a table? I'd rather see hundreds of figures battling it out rather a dozen or so super-detailed, super-expensive, super-huge figures.

ARRRRRRRRRRRGHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I need a drink.

[oni]

I dont really mind one way or the other so long as things look consistent on the tabletop.

Yup, this states my opinion perfectly as well.