Deep strike and Combat squads

[Nabterayl]

Why do we need to know what deploy means at all?

[Tynskel]

Why do we need to know what deploy means at all?

Simple, because if you want anyone to communicate to each other, it helps to use words that have specific meanings. Otherwise, we get gibbly goop, or shiniggged, or even phisñys.

If the rulebook wanted to use a place holder word, they would have used one. ie, they would have defined one.

This goes back to the rulebook not defining deploy, which means this word is using the dictionary definition(s) determined from the context with which the words are used.



As an aside, that's like asking why do we need to know the meaning of any word. This is the foundation of language, words have meanings.

[jeffersonian000]

Simple, because if you want anyone to communicate to each other,

Speaking of communication, isn't it interesting that the last several pages are posts arguing over the structure of the arguement, and not that actual rule that is in question?

What's so difficult to graps?

Combat Squading is an option that can be take by specific units when that unit is placed on the table, but not while the unit is in Reserver nor while the unit is inside a transport (except for Drop Pods, which have a specific rule to cover it). Further, once a unit is divided into Combat Squads, each squad is treated as a separate unit from that point on, which means rolls for scatter are made by each squad, etc. Simple, supported by rules as written, and it avoids issues where one half of the squad is on the table while the other still hasn't arrived yet.

SJ

[Culven]

Simple, because if you want anyone to communicate to each other, it helps to use words that have specific meanings.

In the case of Combat Squads, the meaning of the word "deploy" doesn't really matter. We could replace the word "Deploy" with a variable, such as X, in the rulebook and Combat Squad rules and it would still work. Then we could simplify the logic to:

X=Deploy (tactical or strategic, it makes no difference)

and also:

If X (i.e if the rulebook states X), then Combat Squad

[Tynskel]

In the case of Combat Squads, the meaning of the word "deploy" doesn't really matter. We could replace the word "Deploy" with a variable, such as X, in the rulebook and Combat Squad rules and it would still work. Then we could simplify the logic to:

X=Deploy (tactical or strategic, it makes no difference)

and also:

If X (i.e if the rulebook states X), then Combat Squad

Deploy does not = x, because the book never defined deploy to equal x.

an example of y=x would be 'fearless USR (or any of the USRs).

[Tynskel]

Speaking of communication, isn't it interesting that the last several pages are posts arguing over the structure of the arguement, and not that actual rule that is in question?

What's so difficult to graps?

Combat Squading is an option that can be take by specific units when that unit is placed on the table, but not while the unit is in Reserver nor while the unit is inside a transport (except for Drop Pods, which have a specific rule to cover it). Further, once a unit is divided into Combat Squads, each squad is treated as a separate unit from that point on, which means rolls for scatter are made by each squad, etc. Simple, supported by rules as written, and it avoids issues where one half of the squad is on the table while the other still hasn't arrived yet.

SJ

This is not completely supported by rules as written: no where does the rules state that a unit inside a transport is deployed.

Also, the way I have described using combat squads is supported by the rules as written, and does not suffer from half a squad on the table and the other has not arrived.

[Nabterayl]

This is not completely supported by rules as written: no where does the rules state that a unit inside a transport is deployed.

Wait, of course it is. A unit inside a transport is "arriving" just as the transport is, according to page 94, and according to page 94, when a unit arrives from reserve, it's deployed.

[SeattleDV8]

Ahem.. Dawn of war pg. 93 (diagram text) "...then deployed a unit of troops, already embarked into their dedicated transport..."

Again, the unit is not deployed until it reaches the table( it this case embarked)

[Culven]

Deploy does not = x, because the book never defined deploy to equal x.

OK. Then, X = Strategically Deploy (using your interpretation)

That doesn't change the fact that the Combat Squad rules still use the logic of "If X, then Combat Squad". I assume that you have no issue with this hypothesis since you didn't address it as being incorrect.

To simplify:

X = Y AND X = Z

X = "Deploy" (the word, since the meaning seems to still be a variable)
Y = the meaning of "Deploy"
Z = Combat Squad

In my opinion, Tynskel, you are trying to debate the value of Y, but it doesn't even factor into the X = Z equation. This is why I think you are trying to hard in your defense. You are trying to create the equation Y = Z, when it has no bearing on the Z issue.

[Tynskel]

no, that's not the equation.

x = z(y). z is a function of y.