Deep strike and Combat squads

[SeattleDV8]

In my mind it was a rules change. In your mind it was clarification. There's a long thread on that one.

There are plenty of people who consider the Deployment Phase of the game deploying all units, whether onto the board or into Reserves. This FAQ was a rules change for them, changing all tactics and uses of the units.

When placing models in reserve it was clearly stated they 'were not deployed'.
It's just a lot of people misread, or misunderstood the rules.
It was a clarification, because no rules were changed.

[Tynskel]

When placing models in reserve it was clearly stated they 'were not deployed'.
It's just a lot of people misread, or misunderstood the rules.
It was a clarification, because no rules were changed.

no, it was clearly stated they were not deployed onto the board. This is called context, something people often forget about when using 'RAW'. The view of 'RAW' sometimes forgets about all the previous rules. If you continue reading the section, and how the reserves are used, it is clear that units were deployed into reserves.

This was a rules change.

There was a whole thread on this. Something like 200 posts, most of them flame attacks (I may have been the flamer winner, oh wait...)

[Eusebius Rex]

The FAQ for Space Marines changed how combat squads work. You declare combat squads when they are actually placed onto the board.

Ex. roll reserves for BA 10 man Assault Squad. The successfully enter. Declare Combat Squad, deep strike each 5 man unit separately.

I loved reading this - how did the crow taste?

I win.

[Culven]

In my mind it was a rules change. In your mind it was clarification. There's a long thread on that one.
There are plenty of people who consider the Deployment Phase of the game deploying all units, whether onto the board or into Reserves. This FAQ was a rules change for them, changing all tactics and uses of the units.

I remember that thread. I still don't understand how one can claim that a Unit that isn't Deployed (" . . . players may choose not to deploy one or more of the units in their army . . .", rulebook, p. 94), has been Deployed. However, we don't need to get into it again. You have your interpretation, I have mine.

[Tynskel]

This had to do with:
1) the section's context. The reference frame being the board.
2) the wording for reserves
3) how the use of the word reserves changes between pre-game and in-game.

This is an interpretation of the rules, backed up by the rules themselves, hence RAW. To me, it is just another example that RAW is not a 'tight' as people believe it is.

[Tynskel]

I loved reading this - how did the crow taste?

I win.

bwahahah!
Someone likes to keep a grudge.

What did you win? +10 Internets?

Since that FAQ came out, I now ask my opponents if we want to play using the FAQ wording or not. When I am not playing at a tournament, most people I play with never even realized that the FAQ changed how they played the game. They just kept on playing the same way I have been playing.

[hisdudeness]

When placing models in reserve it was clearly stated they 'were not deployed'.
It's just a lot of people misread, or misunderstood the rules.
It was a clarification, because no rules were changed.

Don't get him started on this. We went around on this for a very long time a while back.

[Tynskel]

Don't get him started on this. We went around on this for a very long time a while back.

we don't need to get me started. People can search the forums and find the 200+ post thread. There are not too many that have that many posts.

In my own self inflated ego way, I like to think that GW singled me out and ruled specifically against me.





However, it does go to show: GW would not have FAQed this if it weren't for a FAQ. Many many many people were playing the way I was playing, and in their minds, it was correct. GW decided that they play the game differently.

[Culven]

However, it does go to show: GW would not have FAQed this if it weren't for a FAQ. Many many many people were playing the way I was playing, and in their minds, it was correct. GW decided that they play the game differently.

To me, the FAQ seemed to only be intended to verify that a Unit could not be split with half Deployed and the other half placed in Reserve. It doesn't even address whether Units placed in Reserve counts as Deployed for the Combat Squad rule.

[bluesickboy]

To me, the FAQ seemed to only be intended to verify that a Unit could not be split with half Deployed and the other half placed in Reserve. It doesn't even address whether Units placed in Reserve counts as Deployed for the Combat Squad rule.

A: No, because squads that are placed in reserve may not
break down into combat squads.