Codex: Chaos Space Marines hint?

[Lockark]

I'm curious as to what objective book-measuring standard you have used to come up with this judgement that they are "good books"

I think it's best not to get involved in their "Lover's Quarrel", other wise we are going to be talking about HH books for the next 11 pages.

[BrokenWing]

Chaos was strong!

I mean is strong.....yeah..that's what I mean with the current codex.

There, now we can talk about something other than the horus heresy books?

[wittdooley]

I'm curious as to what objective book-measuring standard you have used to come up with this judgement that they are "good books"

I thought about this when I posted it, and you're right, there is no certifiable standard of objectivity for reviews. With that being said, I think you have to base that on overwhelmingly positive reviews. Movies have the Rotten Tomatoes and the "Freshmeter;" we don't have anything for literature.

I enjoyed Hangover 2 because I liked Hangover 1. Critics on Rotten Tomatoes lambasted it for, essentially, being a cut-and-paste of the first. I knew that going in, and was okay with it. It's not a great movie by any stretch, but I was able to turn my brain off for a bit. Take a movie like The King's Speech as a contrast. Universally praised, I agree that the movie is really, really well made. I don't know that I'll ever watch it again, but will probably watch Hangover 2 again because it caters more to my tastes.

It's sort of like the famous quote by Potter Stewart on Pornography: "I know it when I see it."

With anything that is subjective, to determine whether or not it is "good" I suppose you have to look at it and ask, "what do the majority of reasonble people think?"

From my experience, that "reasonable majority" tends to agree that the Horus Heresy books (aside from Battle for the Abyss) are "good."

To say they are not to your tastes is fine; to quantifyably state they are "bad" after you're read 100 pages doesn't follow for me.

[Melissia]

Right. But why is this okay for Tolkien but not for the HH novels. [snip]

The "goodness" of books is subjective. I have a brother in law that finds ALL fantasy genre books to be boring. It doesn't interest him. To him they're all dull. I disagree with his tastes, but that's his prerogative. Me, I love fantasy. I don't find a single part of LotR to be slow. But you cannot get me to read the Horus Heresy. On a scale of 1 to 100, with 100 being "OMFG I MUST READ THIS (IE Ciaphas Cain)" and 1 being "meh, I don't care, I'm gonna go read Battletech novels instead (IE Twilight)", they score less than zero. I don't even begin to care about any of the characters in the books. Or the setting. Or the conflicts. It just bores me to sleep. They're horrible books to me, for a horrible setting. Keep the Horus Heresy as a distant vague and almost mythological past event that created the Imperium as it is-- it works better that way.

[Lerra]

Worse than Twilight?

My roommates had a contest to see who could read the most of the Twilight series before our brains melted and we gave up. The winner made it halfway through Book 1. I made it to chapter 3.

While reading, I alternated between rage and depression. It was so terribly written it made me want to strangle the editors and lament for the kind of society that creates people who want to read this crap. Not to mention the strong misogynist and misandrist undertones that are a personal pet peeve.

I can't imagine the HH books are that bad.

[Deadlift]

The HH books certainly seem to have the "marmite effect" you either love em or hate em

[daboarder]

You're doing it wrong dealift.....

It's Vegimite thats the good stuff

[Verilance]

they both taste like poop

[Playa]

Hey,

so what if it MIGHT get better, MAYBE? It still sucks RIGHT NOW

[still coughing] OmG, I haven't laughed like that in ages! Thanks, that's my thought EXACTLY in the middle of many a "best-seller".

OT: Yet another Imperial vehicle/ walker from Forge World is not exactly stop-press news, but the Contemptor isn't BAD, and I appreciate good hobby news when I can get it. If it hasn't been mentioned, Chuck was an Epic-scale Dread in an old space marine game GW cleverly named "Space Marine". This FW version is even larger than 40k-scale - no doubt a calculated result:

[url]http://postimage.org/image/trslj5c4/[/url]

Imo, FW's put out a lot worse ...


Playa

[L192837465]

I think this could actually be leaning towards the next chaos dex. It specifically mentions codexes, not IA books. Plus, if it was HH, Dreads wouldn't really be around. I think there were like, 5 total at the beginning of the HH.

I want a Tau Vs Tyranids or DE IA. That would be awesome.