Originally Posted by
wallweasels
I am somewhat agreeing:
On charge celestians with 9 sisters /w nothing and 1 superior with PW+pistol do:
Divine Guidance on charge: 3.556 dead
Hand of the Emperor on charge: 4.444
Hand of the Emperor + Divine Guidance: 5.778
Of course both consider that the marines did 0 damage before the celestians could strike....but PW + 1 attack marines kill 2 celestians...who change the results of the second to: 3.852 and 4.889 respectively.
Ah, I see what I did. I did indeed fail to take into account Holy Hatred. Fair enough. So our best kill numbers are old celestians 3.85 kills with 1 faith point and 4.89 kills with 2 faith points, versus new celestians at 4.13 or 4.11 kills with 1 faith point (math below).
I'll concede that isn't as good as I had thought.
Nine sisters celestians with boltguns and bolt pistols, a celestian superior with bolt pistol and power weapon, and no faith.
The celestians get 10 bolt pistol shots (no faith) prior to assault. Of those 10, 20/3 will hit, and of those 20/3, 20/6 will wound. The marines will fail a total of 20/18 saves, for approximately 1.11 dead marines.
Tactical marines strike first at I4. We are now down to 7 8/9 tactical marines, who will get 71/9 attacks. Of those 70/9, 70/18 will hit, 140/36 will wound, and the sisters will fail a total of 140/108 saves, for approximately 1.30 dead sisters celestian.
We are now down to 7 8/27 sisters celestian. At 3 attacks each, they will receive a total of 575/27 attacks. Of these, 575/54 will hit, and at S3 (no faith) 575/162 will wound, meaning the marines fail a total of 575/486 saves and lose approximately 1.18 marines. The celestian superior receives 5 attacks, of which 5/2 will hit and 5/6 will wound, with no applicable saves, for an additional approximately 0.83 dead marines.
We now have a total of approximately 1.11 marine casualties from bolt pistols, 1.18 marines from sisters celestian, and 0.83 marines from the celestian superior, for a total of approximately 3.12 dead marines.
Now give the new celestians S4 via faith.
As previously demonstrated, the celestians' bolt pistols will kill a total of 10/9 marines.
As previously demonstrated, the tactical marines will kill a total of 35/27 celestians, leaving us with a total of 7 8/27 sisters celestian plus the celestian superior.
The sisters celestian still get 575/27 attacks, and 575/54 hits. At S4 (from faith) they receive 575/108 wounds, for a total of 575/324 failed saves, or approximately 1.77 dead marines. The celestian superior still gets 5 attacks, of which 5/2 hit, but now 5/4 wound, with no applicable saves, for an additional 1.25 dead marines.
We now have a total of approximately 1.11 marine casualties from bolt pistols, 1.77 marines from sisters celestian, and 1.25 marines from the celestian superior, for a total of approximately 4.13 dead marines.
Now take away S4 and give the [command squad] celestians Relentless. Unlike my last post I'll assume the command squad does not have a sister hospitaller.
10 celestians receive 19 bolt shots (I'll assume the celestian superior cannot have a boltgun, bolt pistol, and power weapon). Of those 19 shots, 38/3 hit. Of those 38/3 hits, 38/6 will wound, and the marines will fail a total of 38/18 saves, for approximately 2.11 dead marines. We are now down to approximately 6.89 tactical marines plus the sergeant.
6 8/9 tactical marines will strike first, at I4. They receive 62/9 attacks, of which 62/18 will hit and 124/36 will wound. The celestians will fail a total of 124/108 saves, for approximately 1.15 dead celestians.
The remaining 7 4/27 sisters celestian, at 3 attacks each, will receive a total of 571/27 attacks. Of these, 571/54 will hit, and at S3 only 571/162 will wound. The marines will fail 571/486 saves, for approximately 1.17 dead marines. The celestian superior, as previously demonstrated at 5 S3 attacks, will kill 5/6 or approximately 0.83 marines.
We now have a total of approximately 2.11 marine casualties from bolt weapons, 1.17 marine casualties from sisters celestian, and 0.83 marines from the celestian superior, for a total of approximately 4.11 dead marines.