The Lost Primarchs; A Speculation.

[Thornblood]

So all the primarchs we currently know of are themed (and apparently have a 'wyrd' which names their theme, but this might just be the way that Fenrisian culture describes them rather than being the galactic hard-and-fast rule).

Anyway, they are all also supposed to be different reflections of the Emperor and his abilities/characteristics/personality.

So whats missing? We have a few different ideas on militant marshals, (Guilleman, Horus, Johnson, Sanguinius), Seige makers/breakers (Dorn, Perturabo), Psychic man (Magnus), Barbarian types (Russ the executioner/ Angron the, well angry), Mechanical/creative mans (Manus and Vulcan), Intelligence sneaky mans (Alpharius/Omegon), perfection man (Fulgrim), Batman (Night Haunter), fantaic-man (Lorger), wild riding fast hunting man (Khan) and sneaky shadow fast hunting man (Corax).

So, whats missing? What would make a good wyrd/theme for the other two that are missing. That is more interesting than "The one that got lost" and "The one that's busy doing other things".

[Psychosplodge]

I may have read it wrong but the outcast dead gave me the impression the wolves had already been used to deal with a badly behaved overly psychic legion at least once before...

[Wildcard]

If you think of it this way: Basically each primarch has a counter to itself. Not in the meaning of someone who could beat him (rock-paper-scissors), but more like a balancing character (like ying & yang)

- For excample Russ vs Angron are both heavy brawlers. Sort of wild and untamed berserkers, yet, with completely different motivators. Other is that for the purpose of build, other is berserker just for the fun of it / lust for it (atleast thats how he is described. Personally i haven't read anywhere that he would have had a role similar to Russ in mind when he was being crafted)

Primarchs that could be possibly paired:

Fulgrim & Sanquinius (Both pretty boys excelling at swordplay, yet a bit far fetched match perhaps)
Konrad Kurze & Corax (Both sneaky heavy hitters, with both having heavy reference to flying creatures: Bat and Raven)

Now, from the list missing counters are:

Magnus: Loyal, yet stubborn and arrogant Mega-psyker (that was the reason for his fall)
Fulgrim: Art,culture,music etc civilised trait lover. Also always aimed for perfection
Lorgar: Interested in truth (same trait as emperor - to know as much as possible), obsessed in eliminating all blasphemy
Khan: Yet fast and furious, one of the most notable traits is the emperor passionate dream to unite all the stars in one mighty empire


So, that leaves Magnus, Lorgar, possibly Fulgrim and Khan. It would seem improper to 'change the pattern' of creation motives for primarchs and their roles. Apparently there are still four candidates, where there should be only two.

How would you pair those primarchs without proper pairing, or how would you pair the whole lot of them?

[Grailkeeper]

Now, from the list missing counters are:

Magnus: Loyal, yet stubborn and arrogant Mega-psyker (that was the reason for his fall)
Fulgrim: Art,culture,music etc civilised trait lover. Also always aimed for perfection
Lorgar: Interested in truth (same trait as emperor - to know as much as possible), obsessed in eliminating all blasphemy
Khan: Yet fast and furious, one of the most notable traits is the emperor passionate dream to unite all the stars in one mighty empire

Alpharius would presumably counter the search for truth, in his use of intelligence (as in spying, not brains), which would be hiding knowledge. A couple of the primarchs, russ and angron in particular could be said to balance out fulgrims civilized approach. That leacves Kahn and Magnus. The space wolves have already eliminated a legion, and hate pyskers. Maybe there was another pysker legion?

[laestli]

Well, since it would be a good wager that the Emperor was a thinking man it wouldn't to far fetched to propose that one of the missing Primarchs caught a terminal case of Philosophy.

[Thornblood]

So here is a plausible thought;
One of the missing legions was Psychic and had a philosophical theme. Maybe dealt with morality?? This would have an overlap into theology (on the philosophy and morality topics) which would piss off the word bearers. Its the intellectual faith that's missing from the Imperium (we have plenty of fanatics). So maybe the word bearers engineer it so that they get wiped off the face of the galaxy. Or maybe they think about what they are doing with humanities great crusade/enforced aetheistic pogrom and dont like it. Or maybe they work out how the Emperor can become a god?

And maybe the other is an alien sympathizer/ dominator, something humananity has the potential for but its outlawed.

A psychic philosopher would pair with Magnus. A Theologan would pair with Lorgor.

Pairing I would go with;
Angron and Russ As barbarians, russ with more cunning, maybe making Angron a mass-butcher whilst russ is more one on one executioner
Perturabo and Rogal Dorn as seigemasters (slightly attack and defence respectively)
Ferrus Manus and Vulkan as forgemasters
Horus and Guilleman as leaders
Corax and Night Haunter as stealthy night fighters- Corax the rebel who has overthrown tyrannies ad Night Haunter like a tyrannical batman.
Magnus and the psychic legion killed by the wolves (as psykers)
Maybe Khan and Alpharius- both as scouts and hit-and-run types.
Maybe Johnson and Mortarion- both brilliant strategists especially in defence (on their separate planet against beasts and undead warlords), maybe they are the regular fighters- one slightly more for attack and the other for defence, much like perturabo and dorn.
Which leaves Lorgor with the other deleted primarch.

[Jmaximum]

I may have read it wrong but the outcast dead gave me the impression the wolves had already been used to deal with a badly behaved overly psychic legion at least once before...

You did not read that wrong at all. That was the implication.

I put forth to you all that one of the missing primarch's was Brony-man, lover of all things pony.

[wittdooley]

You did not read that wrong at all. That was the implication.

I put forth to you all that one of the missing primarch's was Brony-man, lover of all things pony.

Were they necessarily psychic though?

[Daemonette666]

If I were to team up the Primarchs to be either counters or similar/akin type Primarchs I would list them as follows.

Angron - Russ (both frenzied fighters who rush the enemy head on preferring close quarter fighting)

Vulcan - Ferris Manus ( both weapon smiths who have dealing with the mechanicus, though one more than the other)

Conrad Curze - Sanguinius (both use rapid strike forces to take the enemy by surprise dropping into the heart of their defences and have a greater ammount of jump troops in their forces)

Lion El 'Johnson - Guilliman (knightly warriors who use tactics and combined arms forces to their best uses)

Perturabo - Dorn (Seige and defence specialists)

Fulgrim - ?

Jaghatai Kharn - ?

Alpharius - Corax (both use stealth and sneak tactics)

Lorgar - Magnus the red ( Both seek knowledge, one through sorcery, the other in search of faith, a purpose , a god to worship)

That just leaves Fulgrim and Jaghatai Khan. Both are as un related to each other as Angron is to Magnus. I would propose that the missing Primarchs are their counters. One who tries to achieve perfection in everything, the other who strives to live on the move, always trying to find what is over the next hill, the next experience, hence his use of bikes, rapidly deployed troops in fast rhinos, lots of jet bikes (in the early days).

[inquisitorsog]

I don't think the "pairings" principle really is that prevalent.
For instance
I'd match Lion-Alpharius.
Lion - ends up loyalist, but through treason reasons.
Alpharius - ends up traitor, but through loyalist reasons.

Both are also very secretive to boot. I don't know that Alpharius is stealthy so much as tricky.

Many of the primarchs are secretive though. You could pair Magnus and Lion for the same reasons: Both ended up on the "wrong side" and were doing things in secret before the heresy. Or, maybe pair Lorgar and Lion because both have religious warrior (preacher and monk respectively) aspects.

I'd also match Curze to Corax as the respective stealthies. As the Night Haunter, Curze struck terror into hearts by being the bogie man who was watching and would strike whenever you didn't expect it.

I don't see the II and 11 legions as paired. They just wanted to hold two legions for the purpose of being fan created and they got morphed into the "missing" legions over the years. In current developing backstory, it seems to me one or both never joined the Imperium. Possibly, one died before unification and the other pretended to accept it, but immediately rebelled or refused the offer.