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[Renegade]

If you cant do the time don't do the crime, it really is that simple. Knowing your rights and the law help, as well as not breaking the actual letter of the law.

With Akaiyou's case, the owners should and could have sued for criminal damage to their property, and compensation for any claim made against them. They could easily have won this, it is the type of thing farmers use when ramblers try the same crap (in the UK, that is)

[Chuck777]

Similarly, the idea that evidence can be barred from court for any reason whatsoever is idiotic.

That's because our system is not predicated on justice for the individual, rather fairness of the system, which yields superior results over the long haul.

We have laws and the police must follow them. To obtain evidence in any way they see fit destroys the criminal justice system and ensures the creation of a totalitarian state. I do, however, believe many of the rules are too complex and too apt to be finagled by defense attorneys, thus leading to criminals going free on the basis of a technicalities.

Still, fairness of the system stops lynchings, excessive waste and police states, it is the best system we as a species have devised.

[DarkLink]

So charge the police officers appropriately. That's what the laws governing that are for. Abuse of power is abuse of power, and should be treated as such. But truth is truth, and to leave out any evidence is to intentionally lead yourself away from an accurate verdict.

Instead of allowing or disallowing evidence based on the source, instead be prepared to level charges against the source as appropriate. If you charge and fire all the police officers willing to search without a warrant, there won't be many willing to do that. Police don't like risking their career over some punk.


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And I do think, as a whole, the justice system works pretty well. It will never work perfectly, there are a lot of things that can't and this is one of them, but much of the problem isn't with the courts themselves but with the jumble of laws they are instructed to enforce.

A case in point as to why we have a justice system like we do it the Travyon Martin case. Zimmerman had half the country forming a lynching mob, and now that there's been some investigation pretty much all the lawyers looking at the case are saying that all the evidence supports Zimmerman and the charges against him almost certainly won't stand. Turns out mobs aren't that good at doling out justice, which is precisely the first think I though when I heard about the public outcry on the case.

[Chuck777]

If we allowed justice to be dispensed by vote, then anyone who looks guilty would be lynched.

If we allowed the government free reign, then there would be no need for trials, jackbooted thugs would dispense justice upon their whims.

If we allow the system to regulate itself, then we would have long drawn out trials and many who are guilty get off Scott free.

These are the three fundamental based from which our system can be derived. Ensuring fairness of the process has proven to be the most equitable of the three systems because it does not pander to the whims of emotion nor does it give full authority to totalitarianism. The system is not perfect, no system could be but it is the best we can create as of yet.

The biggest danger to the system is the media, which has the power to influence the masses and foment ruinous behavior.

[the jeske]

If we allowed justice to be dispensed by vote, then anyone who looks guilty would be lynched.

I see no problem with that as long as goverments accept that. Law enforcment on the lowest level is more efficient when it is enforced by a carefuly monitored and controled small comunity.

If we allowed the government free reign, then there would be no need for trials, jackbooted thugs would dispense justice upon their whims.

Yes that is why a law system is there . I dude opposses the goverment or the community as a whole the he has to be stoped , else the community or goverment shows weakness which is as good as showing everyone that it has no power.

Ensuring fairness of the process has proven to be the most equitable of the three systems because it does not pander to the whims of emotion nor does it give full authority to totalitarianism. The system is not perfect, no system could be but it is the best we can create as of yet.

but that is just a fun theory . good for the masses but it has nothing to do with actual real life . A powerful man is untouchable . A powerful group [lets say doctors or jurists or the military or the militia ] will always judge itself . If a powerful group or man wants someone judged then it doesnt matter for what or how they will do it . It will happen . And before someone says its an eastern thing I would like to point out that you guys are doing just that all the time . Osama ? no trail . Israal vs anything ? no trail for anyone ever . US ignores other countries borders and laws , doesnt let war criminals be judged by courts in the countries where they broke the law[but they have no problems with trying to judge other people under their own law even if the only law that was broken was the US one ] .

that system is an illusion , I rather like ours . It is more clear . You know where you stand with it , it doesnt give false hope to people [which means less depresion , so it kind of a makes people happy. or at least not as depresed] .

Abuse of power is abuse of power, and should be treated as such

could you explain how is it possible to abuse power , when you have it . Because either you have power and then it is your right to use it or you dont have the right to use it [and then have power , but your superiors have or some organization/group of people]. This is a part of the western sociaty I never understood . It is impossible for a militia man to abuse his power , unless he is stupid . Technicly he could try to lets say stop a military car for speeding or do a strip search on someone from the major office . But that is not abusing power that is being stupid , because those actions come back on him , his unit and probably his family like a ton of bricks .

Slapping on an absurd fine and trying to make an example of the individual violates both moral requirements. That's not justice.

so lets say I steal from someone in the goverment [like a luxury car] or worse rob something from the royal family , you think they would judge me under the same laws as a guy who "borrowed" an old opel from his neighbour ? Justice is always tiered . It is different for people and those who are unimportant.

[Kettu]

SoB aren't a big seller, they never were, they're ecconomically unviable and yet they STILL dedicate time and effort in them, not as much as you would like, sure, but they did. People complain about Sisters, but who many sisters players do you actually know? Compared to everything else? And the few you did know bought the models years ago and haven't bought anything new since. That is a buisness decision, they're not going to throw money away.

There is several big problems with this.

Sisters have never been really attempted to be sold in the first place. We don't know how well they could sell because they never got a chance.
In 2nd ed their own codex ttold you that they were not an army, they were an ally force who had the option to go solo but you would be really crippling yourself to do so.
3rd ed then came out three months later.

They didn't get a codex then until mid 2004. They received barely any new minis, bad rules that solidly put them in any meta 'low tier', had enough of their fluff screwed to drive away a large portion (As I'm given to understand) of their previous player base. had no plastic options except for a Space Marine tank and again, the codex tells you that they are written to be an ally force and a 'collectors' force.
4th ed then came out three months later. (I'm seeing a pattern here)

Nothing since then has happened that would give reason that an under-preforming army, with bad rules, with all metal minis, with limited range and no advertising (Appearing in WD or store display counts as advertising) to start selling.

They don't sell bad because they are a 'market risk', they sell bad because GW never attempted TO SELL THEM!

Yet, DE got an update. A force that has sold as poorly as Sisters have for a long time got an update. A MASSIVE update.
If a competent update and minis for the Sisters is 'throw money away' then what the DE got must have been GW going bankrupt.

Probably the biggest reason Sisters don't get an update isn't a business one but rather a design one. To put it simply, no one on the design team currently gives a s**t about them. Andy was the last one on the team to care and he quit/got fired/got retrenched/retired/all of the above/something else (Please fill in the blank)_____.

[DarkLink]

Oh, I was afraid our entertainment was gone.

I see no problem with that as long as goverments accept that. Law enforcment on the lowest level is more efficient when it is enforced by a carefuly monitored and controled small comunity.

Do you even know what the words lynching and mob mean?

Yes that is why a law system is there . I dude opposses the goverment or the community as a whole the he has to be stoped , else the community or goverment shows weakness which is as good as showing everyone that it has no power.

...?

but that is just a fun theory . good for the masses but it has nothing to do with actual real life . A powerful man is untouchable . A powerful group [lets say doctors or jurists or the military or the militia ] will always judge itself . If a powerful group or man wants someone judged then it doesnt matter for what or how they will do it . It will happen . And before someone says its an eastern thing I would like to point out that you guys are doing just that all the time .

I feel sorry for you.

Osama ? no trail .

Enemy combatant. We did invade two different nations to hunt down Osama and the rest of his high command. And he did publicly take responsibility, even though he likely wasn't that involved.

Israal vs anything ? no trail for anyone ever .

Do I look like I'm from Israel?

that system is an illusion , I rather like ours . It is more clear . You know where you stand with it , it doesnt give false hope to people [which means less depresion , so it kind of a makes people happy. or at least not as depresed] .

The difference between your system and ours is that you are a doormat. Your best hope in life is that no one steps on you. Good luck with that.

could you explain how is it possible to abuse power , when you have it .

You lack the capacity to understand it, just give up and let the grownups talk.

because those actions come back on him , his unit and probably his family like a ton of bricks .

so lets say I steal from someone in the goverment [like a luxury car] or worse rob something from the royal family ,

I'll explain something to you that you're not understanding.

Here, it's pretty hard to mess with someone. If a doctor thinks that got poor service at, say, a restaurant, the best he can do is complain to the manager. The manager might verbally reprimand the waiter, and it the waiter has been doing a bad job in the past he might even get fired. But if the doctor starts yelling at the manager, or demands that he fires the employee, he'll be escorted from the building by security.

Same thing with a politician, but on top of that it would be all over the newspapers and probably ruin the politicians career.

Being part of the 1% has its benefits, but completely controlling the lives of the people beneath them is not one of them.

you think they would judge me under the same laws as a guy who "borrowed" an old opel from his neighbour ? Justice is always tiered . It is different for people and those who are unimportant.

Nope, you'd get roughly the same charges and same sentencing. The judges run the courts, and trying to bribe or manipulate a judge is not a good idea. The jury is pretty carefully selected from a random group of peers screened to ensure they don't have a stake in the outcome, and bribing or manipulating them is an equally bad idea. Some rich guy tries bribing someone, and the whole case will probably get thrown out of court.

[lattd]

Heck if a jury member in the England spoke to a defendant in a case they could end up in jail for contempt of court. There's been cases where the trial location was moved and the jury re-picked just to make sure the trial was fair.

[DarkLink]

There are some cases where they literally can't hold trial because they can't find a suitable, non-biased, jury. Going back to the Travyon Martin case, I'll bet it will be a nightmare to find unbiased jurors if it goes to court, thanks to some of the media's character assassination campaign against Zimmerman. Most of America probably still thinks Zimmerman was racially motivated, when that was purely made up by the media. I think it was NBC that actually fired a number of employees after an internal investigation that found that they carefully edited the 911 phone call to make Zimmerman sound racist when there was no evidence of that in real life.

[DarkLink]

[url]http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20061025/014811.shtml[/url]

Here's a series of articles about moving away from the economics of scarcity that's very relevant to the topic. Most modern economics are fundamentally based on the concept of scarcity, that there is a limited amount of resources that have to be carefully distributed. Things like ideas, however, are infinite. All it takes to transfer one is to describe it, and then it cannot be taken back. You cannot treat an idea as if it were scarce, so if we ever want to figure out how to properly treat copyright laws we need to start thinking about economic systems that do not rely on scarcity.


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One of the points made in one of the articles is that copyright infringement is a fact of the marketplace, and can only be minimization by adapting to the changing market. Begging for special protection from congress or relying on DMRs is only going to ineffectually address the symptoms while ignoring the underlying problem, that the content producer needs to shift their production and marketing to match the new lack of scarcity.