DE killing robots

[commissar camenzuli]

As my mate set up a bet that if i beat him with a 600 point necron army with over 20 models he will pay me a tenner. So here is my list:
(Sorry about the format this came straight off battlescribe)
600pt Necrons 5th ed. Roster (Standard)

Selections:

HQ (280pts)

Necron Overlord (280pts) Ever-Living, Independent Character, Reanimation Protocols

Mindshackle Scarabs (15pts) (Mindshackle Scarabs), Phaeron (20pts) (Phaeron), Phase Shifter (45pts) (Phase Shifter), Resurrection Orb (30pts) (Resurrection Orb), Sempiternal Weave (15pts) (Sempiternal Weave), Tesseract Labyrinth (20pts) (Tesseract Labyrinth), Warscythe (10pts) Royal Court (35pts) Harbinger of the Storm (35pts) Ever-Living, Reanimation Protocols

Lightning Field (10pts) (Lightning Field), Voltaic Staff (Haywire)

Troops (260pts)

Necron Warriors (130pts) 10x Necron Warrior (130pts) Reanimation Protocols

10x Gauss Flayer (Gauss Weapon)

Necron Warriors (130pts) 10x Necron Warrior (130pts) Reanimation Protocols

10x Gauss Flayer (Gauss Weapon)

Fast Attack (60pts)

Canoptek Scarabs (60pts) 4x Canoptek Scarab Base (60pts) (Entropic Strike, Swarms, Fearless)

[thecactusman17]

Two issues: first, remove the points per gear stuff, just list the total. Second, that overlord is way overdone. He is going to be easily countered by wyches. Also, the cryptek is all wrong for de. 12 inch range means you are always out until after he assails you.

The scarabs are a good choice, try to get more. Against most de cc units, you will get more attacks and they can't do more than grind us down thanks to fearless. Also, they will do a better job at killing his tanks. Use the scarabs to kill the tanks, then shoot him to death from s far out as you can.

[commissar camenzuli]

The reason why i have such equipment and the cryptek is because he is close combat orientated

[Vashtek]

As my mate set up a bet that if i beat him with a 600 point necron army with over 20 models he will pay me a tenner. So here is my list:
(Sorry about the format this came straight off battlescribe)
600pt Necrons 5th ed. Roster (Standard)

Selections:

HQ (280pts)

Necron Overlord (280pts) Ever-Living, Independent Character, Reanimation Protocols

Mindshackle Scarabs (15pts) (Mindshackle Scarabs), Phaeron (20pts) (Phaeron), Phase Shifter (45pts) (Phase Shifter), Resurrection Orb (30pts) (Resurrection Orb), Sempiternal Weave (15pts) (Sempiternal Weave), Tesseract Labyrinth (20pts) (Tesseract Labyrinth), Warscythe (10pts) Royal Court (35pts) Harbinger of the Storm (35pts) Ever-Living, Reanimation Protocols

Lightning Field (10pts) (Lightning Field), Voltaic Staff (Haywire)

Troops (260pts)

Necron Warriors (130pts) 10x Necron Warrior (130pts) Reanimation Protocols

10x Gauss Flayer (Gauss Weapon)

Necron Warriors (130pts) 10x Necron Warrior (130pts) Reanimation Protocols

10x Gauss Flayer (Gauss Weapon)

Fast Attack (60pts)

Canoptek Scarabs (60pts) 4x Canoptek Scarab Base (60pts) (Entropic Strike, Swarms, Fearless)

Sorry, but this ranks as one of the worst lists I have ever seen.

Dark eldar move fast and have lots of guns that can fire at you from 24" or more away. They will fire a whole bunch of stuff at you and you then have the option of firing up to 20 ineffectual bolter shells (doing virtually nothing) back at them or moving closer to them (doing nothing). The scarabs will be focussed down as the only thing he is remotely scared of. Why would he ever get in close combat with you? Even if he did, he will kill the warriors easily, and the overlord will get swept.

For 600 points against dark eldar,

I would get a cheap hq choice (Szeras might be reasonable choice for this points value as he comes with an AP2 missile launcher), a couple of reasonable sized squads of tesla immortals ( which can threaten the skimmers and are pretty durable to boot) and then fill up with scarabs with few destroyers/wraiths/ night scythe

I would probably go with something like

Szeras
8 Immortals
8 Immortals
Night Scythe
Scarabs 4 scarabs
Scarabs 4 scarabs

[alshrive]

I would probably go with something like

Szeras
8 Immortals
8 Immortals
Night Scythe
Scarabs 4 scarabs
Scarabs 4 scarabs

i defeinitely agree with this comment, although i may try to work a spyder into the mix (although against DE not so great as although high toughness you will be taking A LOT of wounds due to the poisons!)

[commissar camenzuli]

Ons problem. School league rules. How about this list:
HQ (270pts)

Necron Overlord (270pts) Ever-Living, Independent Character, Reanimation Protocols

Mindshackle Scarabs (15pts) (Mindshackle Scarabs), Resurrection Orb (30pts) (Resurrection Orb), Warscythe (10pts) Royal Court (125pts) Harbinger of Despair (60pts) Ever-Living, Reanimation Protocols

Abyssal Staff (Shroud of Despair), Veil of Darkness (30pts) (Veil of Darkness)

Harbinger of Destruction (65pts) Ever-Living, Reanimation Protocols

Eldritch Lance, Gaze of Flame (10pts) (Gaze of Flame), Solar Pulse (20pts) (Solar Pulse)

Troops (266pts)

Necron Immortals (136pts) Reanimation Protocols 8x Necron Immortal (136pts) 8x Gauss Blaster

Necron Warriors (130pts) 10x Necron Warrior (130pts) Reanimation Protocols

10x Gauss Flayer (Gauss Weapon)

Fast Attack (60pts)

Canoptek Scarabs (60pts) 4x Canoptek Scarab Base (60pts) (Entropic Strike, Swarms, Fearless)

[alshrive]

seriously, drop the lord down a bit! a basic lord with warscythe and command barge is 180! that is pretty much all you need and will in this size game be very very good! don't throw nearly half the army into that HQ, i would also drop the cryptek, or especially drop the gear and just take a basic cryptek with voltaic staff (harbinger of storm). personally i would go witha basic barge lord and then throw in as many tesla immortals and scarabs as i could!

[commissar camenzuli]

As i said. School league says 600pts and one hq and 2 troops compulsury. And only one fast attack, elite or heavy support. And this list hasnt lost yet

[Learn2Eel]

The problem is, your list will be annihilated by any Dark Eldar player worth the time. Assuming your opponent plays a mobile, mounted Dark Eldar force, they can dictate the entire game to you and make your Overlord redundant. They can ignore your over-costed Overlord and easily take out your troops, or even tar-pit the Overlord with a Wych squad.

You might be thinking "oooh paper planes" but they will be in your face on Turn 1 and charging you on Turn 2 depending on the board size, and once your army is in combat, it is virtually useless.

Follow alshrive's suggestion. Dropping your Overlords upgrades to a minimum and putting him in a Command Barge will not only ensure you get into combat much easier, but it is another target for your opponent to shoot at. Mind you, if that is the only vehicle on the field, expect it to fall quickly to dark lances. A decent player with a decent list will make mince meat of your army.
Tesla immortals are awesome against Dark Eldar, you glance on 5s and pen them on 6s, with the AP - cancelled out by open-topped, and the amount of shots you get is insane. Mind you, by the time Dark Eldar transports are within 24" I would start thinking about how to best deal with wyches moreso than anything else.

The lesson you must always remember about Dark Eldar is that typically - especially if it is a Kabalite list - they will have more sheer weight of firepower than you. The trick is to exploit their lack of resilience - take out DE transports before they can reach you and you have basically made the unit inside a free kill point. And that is why one super-upgraded Overlord and two highly expensive Crypteks will not help you. You need more models that will do so much more damage. An Overlord can only do so much, and that is only in combat too really, and if he's against wyches it won't matter.

If you are able to, take two-three Immortals squads of a decent size, chuck the Overlord on a CCB, maybe take an Annihilation Barge if you have one and fill out the scarabs.

I'm not saying that you should be resigned to losing, just that you will struggle against a good player if you keep your current list. One important thing to remember is that Dark Eldar can take two awesome HQ's that will invariably kill a lot more than your Overlord for the same points cost. That is the way their army works and that is the way you have to think; a good example is that autocannons and assault cannons are much better against Dark Eldar than lascannons and meltas. Why? A lascannon and a melta are one shot each that could miss, or hit and obviously penetrate unless you roll horribly. The problem is, Dark Eldar nearly always have either cover or an invulnerable save on their vehicles which they can then simply ignore your hit either half the time or a third of the time. Shoot that same vehicle with an assault cannon though, and you are far more likely to blow it up. That philosophy applies to the whole army. It's why Thousand Sons with AP3 bolters are virtually useless against Dark Eldar. You may as well spend the points on more Chaos Space Marines that will do the exact same thing minus a few special rules.

Just remember to shoot the Raider's with the Wyches in them (if the player has them), they will more than likely be the biggest threat to your army.

[commissar camenzuli]

here is my friends list. please may someone come up with a list that can combat it???
HQHaemonculus 50pts TroopsWracks x8 w/Raider140pts Kabalite Warriors x10 w/Raider with disintergrator cannon150pts Elite Incubi x4 w/Venom (Haemonculus joined in the squad to give FnP) 143pts Heavy Support Ravager w/ Flickerfield 115 pts 598 Points