6th ed facts, thats right i have the rulebook 3 days early

[daboarder]

That used to be in 4th? and ended up making CC too powerful as assault units used to spend the entire game in CC and so could never be shot at

sigh, it was only to powerful if your opponent was tactically incompetent and couldn't recognize ahead of time where he was going to get charged and move his units appropriately to prevent a consolidation catching him. In a game with HUGE rapid fire threat ranges, random charges and over-watch assault need that kind of boost to just stay in the game....

[Wolfshade]

I agree, but with large guard armies (on foot) sometimes it was hard to move out of charge range.
We'll have to see if the CC ap values and other tweaks re-address this issue

[daboarder]

true but then using those armies against assault armies ou just fed the assault units cheap squads, realistically they only ate about 3-4 squads a game.

I think the perfect example of why shooting is going to dominate can be seen in the terminator buffs, with power weapons being nerfed then the best way to deal with terminators out side of weight of fire is range, where their has been no major change in the survivability of units against shooting, in fact with the cover save de-buff all units will now be far more vulnerable to shooting....

[DrWobbles]

ok thats kind of compelling, may I ask where you got your information from?

The Internet.

[seanwprice]

It Rending still AP2? Do Chainswords has an AP value?

[chizal]

It Rending still AP2? Do Chainswords has an AP value?

rending is still ap2 and chainsword has no ap

[seanwprice]

rending is still ap2 and chainsword has no ap

Damn, Assault Marines still pretty much suck

[Wolfshade]

With Jpacks they'll strike at I10 and have a better charge range/chance

[bfmusashi]

you expect me to spend a half hour or so reading through 30 pages just to get one answer when the entire point of the thread is to ask a question to get an answer? lol. sure. how bout I ask you to go to about six stores to get one pair of socks.

same diff. better if you were more helpful and less snotty.

You should keep spare socks in your car.

[ASHNES]

And what about 3++ save--it's still remained?