Vibro-Cannon great AA and light vehicle?

[Renegade]

I am guessing it will be ruled something like the Deathray (1mm up down and side to side) or they will point to the entry in the BRB.

If something is to good to be true, it generally is.

[Terrain Foundry]

I love the logic that if you cannot enact a rule, then it must actually hit.
Yeah, that's totally how to 'resolve' this.

Uh, no.

The fact that one cannot resolve the shot *should* be a clue that a hit vs the flyer is invalid.
The fact that the rulebook explicitly references specials rules to hit, including codex special rules, *should* be another clue that the hit vs the flyer is invalid.

Will you please read Page 7 of the rule book.

Rulebook rules suggest Vibro Cannons can't hit flyers.
Vibro Cannon rules in the Eldar Codex suggest they CAN hit flyers.

There are two conflicting rules. The rulebook tells us, on page 7 that "Where this occurs, the rule printed in the codex always takes precedence."

It does not say "always take precedence... apart from when Tynskel doesn't want them to."

Always means always! What part of that do you not understand?

Your insistence on spouting the same argument when several people have proved you wrong, the Eldar codex says you are wrong, and the rulebook itself says you are wrong, is just absurd (but quite amusing ).

[eldargal]

Yup, it's like watching a dog chewing a toffee, you feel maybe you should do something to stop it but it's just so funny.

Tynskel, for the last time, the codex says units with an armour value are automatically hit. Codex trumps rulebook, ALWAYS. Just as the rulebook says. You invoke rules which do not matter, you make up new rules, you re-word rules but when it comes down to it you do not have a leg to stand on. The rule are clear, you are wrong. Let it go.

[Cherub]

But if he lets it go I will miss the many many many pages of entertainment I have gotten reading this thread. SO in the interest of keeping this thread going for my own amusement.

BRB trumps the eldar codex you all all wrong, when the vibro cannons fire they can only damage eldar units, Tynskel is right, umm what else is there? oh yah why are you playing eldar anyway? everyone knows only marines can win games anyway noobs




I will now wait for fun to continue.

[Tynskel]

Will you please read Page 7 of the rule book.

Rulebook rules suggest Vibro Cannons can't hit flyers.
Vibro Cannon rules in the Eldar Codex suggest they CAN hit flyers.

There are two conflicting rules. The rulebook tells us, on page 7 that "Where this occurs, the rule printed in the codex always takes precedence."

It does not say "always take precedence... apart from when Tynskel doesn't want them to."

Always means always! What part of that do you not understand?

Your insistence on spouting the same argument when several people have proved you wrong, the Eldar codex says you are wrong, and the rulebook itself says you are wrong, is just absurd (but quite amusing ).

Here's an example:
Mawloc deep strike:
1) it states deep strike. Activation of a Key rule.
2) instead of 'mishap' do blah blah blah. Targeting a specific Rulebook Rule, and overriding.

That's how the codex is overriding.

The Vibrocannon

1) does NOT address snap shots.
2) The rulebook DOES address special rules regarding snap shot firing, p.13.
3) The FAQs were detailed that even SPECIFIC weapons were addressed. This was the opportunity to modify the vibrocannon and state 'vibrocannon may snap fire' or 'vibrocannon may hit flyers' or 'vibrocannon has both Skyfire and Interceptor USRs'. They DID NOT add these rules to the vibrocannon.

There's NOTHING in the Vibrocannon's rules that states that it should be able to 'Snap Shot'. NOTHING. If you cannot snap shot, that shot does NOT hit a target that is being snap shotted. The rulebook is EXPLICIT that SPECIAL RULES regarding Firing CANNOT SNAP SHOT! You cannot resolve the hit! ie, nothing happens. (cf p.13 Snap Fire).

[eldargal]

You claim the snap shot rule means the vibro cannon cannot damage the flyer, the vibro cannon rule says it can. Codex trumps rulebook. You are still grasping at straws because snap shot still cannot be invoked. The absence of a FAQ on the subjects means nothing. Any more straws you want to grasp at?
The vibro cannon says its armoru values automaticallyso long as a BS check is made. So that is what it does. Snap shots are irrelevent because the flyer is not targeted. There is no rule to the contrary

Read the rules
Stop making things up

[Terrain Foundry]

Here's an example:
The Vibrocannon

1) does NOT address snap shots.
2) The rulebook DOES address special rules regarding snap shot firing, p.13.
3) The FAQs were detailed that even SPECIFIC weapons were addressed. This was the opportunity to modify the vibrocannon and state 'vibrocannon may snap fire' or 'vibrocannon may hit flyers' or 'vibrocannon has both Skyfire and Interceptor USRs'. They DID NOT add these rules to the vibrocannon.

There's NOTHING in the Vibrocannon's rules that states that it should be able to 'Snap Shot'. NOTHING. If you cannot snap shot, that shot does NOT hit a target that is being snap shotted. The rulebook is EXPLICIT that SPECIAL RULES regarding Firing CANNOT SNAP SHOT! You cannot resolve the hit! ie, nothing happens. (cf p.13 Snap Fire).

Heavens above! Go back and read what we've all been telling you over the last 20 pages.

The Vibro Cannon doesn't need to address snap shot for the following reasons:

A. The rules for Vibro Cannon clearly states that if affects "any unit", and more specifically "units with an armour value" take a glancing hit. The tern "any unit" includes everything - friend or foe, locked in combat, out of line of sight, infantry, monsterous creatures, cavalry, and vehicles - and flyers are vehicles, and therefore CAN be hit.

We've already had a 6th ed Eldar FAQ, and theres nothing in there that says - vibro cannons can hit any unit... apart from flyers.

Vibro Cannon rules say the CAN hit flyers. You think rulebook says they can't hit flyers on p13. Codex ALWAYS overrules BRB.

B. Snap fire. The point in the game where you are invoking snap fire is after we've already rolled to hit (and succeeded), discharged the weapon, and affected your flyer. The beam is now occupying the same space as your flyer, and we know that it can affect the flyer, as the flyer is included in "any unit" (see point A), so it is hit.

We skip the part where snapfire is relevant.

[Tynskel]

Again, weapons like PORTAL OF EXILE state any unit in range blah blah blah... Cannot snap shot.

The Rulebook STATES that weapons with SPECIAL firing rules cannot Snap Shot!
(cf p. 13 Snap Shot)

Hits are NOT resolved.

[Belial69]

As an Eldar (along with most other armies,) player, in a group with nobody owning vibrocannons, I'm going to sit on the fence and toss a piece of meat in between the fighting animals....

Would sonic weaponary affect an aircraft capable of supersonic flight?

Would a ruling on this based on it being a sonic weapon also affect slaaneshi sonic weapons?

What if, since the owning player would not accidently set up this situation, they should roll to hit as described but requiring 6's before 'placing' the line?

Just a few thoughts, ignore them if you like.

[eldargal]

And the codex says it is resolved, and codex trumps BRB.

Then there is the fact that snap shot rules do not apply as the vibro cannon is not snap firing.

Again, weapons like PORTAL OF EXILE state any unit in range blah blah blah... Cannot snap shot.

The Rulebook STATES that weapons with SPECIAL firing rules cannot Snap Shot!
(cf p. 13 Snap Shot)

Hits are NOT resolved.