Games Workshop vs Chapterhouse Document Dump

[gendoikari87]

Really Blue means tear not blood? In a wargame where blood is blue as well as red? The shape is the defining feature. To have the same shape and argue it's a different compound, Water/blood/oil etc is desperate.

It's not the same shape, CHS's has a different number of teeth on the saw and is in the opposite direction. Also the teeth on GW's is much longer.


ooooh oil. I could get some paint the drop black, and call them the yankee's, or the Jingoes.

[DrLove42]

Don't worry my comment about American courts vs TV was Sarcastic, I know they're nothing of the sort. No one would watch if it was realistic.

It interests me that you think a jury is good for GW, and I think it'd be bad. Both sides don't want random people judging them, just shows both sides are afraid to lose i think.

if the vast power of the companies that run the American film and music scene couldn't deal with piracy, knockoffs, and people willing to undercut them, what made Games Workshop think that they could?

There is a slight difference here though. The film and music copyrighters can be anyone. All they need is a copy of the original and a computer to copy. The internet just exacerbates the problem. The "pirate" version in the GW case is that chinese company (who will never be stopped cos China don't just not give a sh** but actively encourage it i'm sure).

In this case the casual back room pirate copying music can't exist, as this requires skill and very specialist equipment to cast in metal and resin in the quantity and scope that CHS does.

As I've said many times I have no problems with the bits market. Hell i've used a couple of them for stuff over time And i don't think this case will touch them, nor should it. My problem with CHS is the arrogance and the fact they are using copyrighted materials. If they'd made their Flesh Tearer pads different and called them "Bloody Chainsaw Pads" then i wouldn't have a problem with them.

I see it as Bits companies work with GW models. Without one, the other wouldn't really exist. But CHS crossed the line and GW is just trying to mark that line clearly


Also thanks Gendo, we were on the verge of a sensible balenced grownup discussion for a while there, thanks for saving us from that

[Wolfshade]

In the original power armour version it was painted red.
In the terminator variant, the examples are painted red and blue, and the tear/blood drop is more angluar to try and seperate it from a drop of liquid.
After all, blood and tears are mostly water...

[Caitsidhe]

Iraq, Afghanistan, Pakistan, and yemen, where killing innocent civillians is okay because they're foreign brown people. And i'm not even sure Americans are even racist in the broad aspect anymore, just extremely nationalistic. It's like the early 20th century is repeating itself over again.

Again, you should read all that I wrote. I stated that most Americans don't give a lot of thought to those things. Most Americans are actually isolationists and could care less about Iraq, Afghanistan, Pakistan, Yemen, or any other place really. Most Americans couldn't have found those places on the map nor even knew some of them existed prior to being TOLD they should care. Americans are very diffuse in their notions of National Pride and it only comes out when they are attacked or someone has gone through the trouble of SELLING it to them. On any given day, Americans spend far more time hating their own government than they do even THINKING about people outside their own country.

[gendoikari87]

Again, you should read all that I wrote. I stated that most Americans don't give a lot of thought to those things. Most Americans are actually isolationists and could care less about Iraq, Afghanistan, Pakistan, Yemen, or any other place really. Most Americans couldn't have found those places on the map nor even knew some of them existed prior to being TOLD they should care. Americans are very diffuse in their notions of National Pride and it only comes out when they are attacked or someone has gone through the trouble of SELLING it to them. On any given day, Americans spend far more time hating their own government than they do even THINKING about people outside their own country.

No, see ignoring the killing of hundreds if not thousands of innocent people simply because they aren't americans, IS extreme nationalism and jingoism. it's like saying they're somehow less human or not human, imagine if that was happening here in america, drug dealers being bombed from the sky with hellfire missiles and the first responders that arrive on scene get bombed and then anyone that goes to those funerals is bombed. Imagine if that happened on american soil, **** would get serious real quick, but it doesn't happen to americans so americans don't care. I'd call that extreme jingoeism.

[DrLove42]

Technically CHS's isn't a blood drop, it's a tear drop, they even painted it blue.

Looks pretty f***ing red to me

[gendoikari87]

Looks pretty f***ing red to me

was blue the last time I checked it.

[Caitsidhe]

There is a slight difference here though. The film and music copyrighters can be anyone. All they need is a copy of the original and a computer to copy. The internet just exacerbates the problem. The "pirate" version in the GW case is that chinese company (who will never be stopped cos China don't just not give a sh** but actively encourage it i'm sure).

Herein lies the problem. This is ONLY the beginning. The technology for you and I to scan and print our own models is already here. It is cost-prohibitive this year, but we both know that within three years there will be a huge number of people "ripping" their own models. The fact that these mom & pop businesses are springing up and able to take a bite simply illustrates where the high tide has reached as well as indicating just how high it is GOING to reach. Games Workshop has a unique opportunity here. They can learn from the mistakes of the big industries and get ahead of the curve. Or they can draw a line in the sand and watch the ocean wipe it away when the waves reach them.

[Caitsidhe]

No, see ignoring the killing of hundreds if not thousands of innocent people simply because they aren't americans, IS extreme nationalism and jingoism. it's like saying they're somehow less human or not human, imagine if that was happening here in america, drug dealers being bombed from the sky with hellfire missiles and the first responders that arrive on scene get bombed and then anyone that goes to those funerals is bombed. Imagine if that happened on american soil, **** would get serious real quick, but it doesn't happen to americans so americans don't care. I'd call that extreme jingoeism.

You would be right if most Americans were even really aware (they are not) of the scope or the meaning. Most nations engage (or have engaged) in this behavior. That doesn't make it right. It is just a statement of fact. Most Americans are entirely ignorant beyond a few glittering generalities of what we do anywhere outside our own borders. Those that are aware tend to protest against it, vote against it, and so on but in the United States as in the rest of the world, money talks. The conflicts we see around the globe don't serve any "national" interests. They serve the specific interests of particular, powerful people and/or companies that intend to make a buck off of them. Those potent people have greater say in how foreign policy is utilized. Different countries, same story. Feel free to bash American and generalize everyone in it all you want. I am not proud of everything my country does and do my part to try and change it. Do not pretend that we are the only ones with blood on our hands or that every American is cheering it on like some ancient arena where innocents are fed to lions. The vast majority of Americans are not cheering and are just as horrified as anyone else. Horror isn't uniquely American. It belongs to the human race.

[Psychosplodge]

@S O'brian not really sure that's the same, you don't generally collect stormtroopers to paint, there specifically is an art aspect to the GW product that there isn't with the star wars toys.