What are the best dice in the world ever????????????????

[Rapture]

Hang on Rapture. The game is designed on the D6 - not knackered old D6s that roll 1's a disporportionate amount of times. The designers have factored in any 1 score on a d6 being what, 16.66666666667%? Now if your dice a flawed in any way beyond that, it is not fair - regardless of what it falls on. A dice that continually rolls 4s is probably of more use than 6s, what with morale and toughness tests. These dice statistically are more likely THAN KNACKERED OLD ROUND CORNERED DICE to roll high - but not statistically more likely to roll beyond 1/6 or 16.6666666667% - as intended by the games designers. So how is that cheating?

What result is most likely has no impact on fairness if both players are subject to that same likelihood. For example, if both players used a set of loaded dice that rolled 6s half of the time, the game would still be fair - different, but fair. The standard dice roll more 1s. Using dice that roll fewer 1s gives an advantage over the other player.

The game might be designed to work with 1/6 probability of each result, but the dice used to play give a less even spread distributed more on the 1. Altering the spread using different dice (whether they have a small bit of lead near the 1 edge or have a different shape - which, outside the level of pathetic-ness, are really the same thing) is cheating.

No, they have a higher chance of following the probabilities inherent in a D6 system.

No kidding. That is why people who buy 'better' (which you just admitted) dice buy themselves an advantage.

I am not sure what your argument is (which brushes are used certainly does not make one space marine more likely to kill another), but casino dice are an advantage over others player, everyone knows they are an advantage, and the people who use them to gain an advantage might as well be moving an extra inch or giving models free upgrades.

[Popsical]

Who's more pathetic, the guy who uses whatever dice they please, or the guy who bleats about it?
Really, are you the kind of fella who would gripe during or after a game because your oppo's dice weren't as cheap as yours?

[Rapture]

Who's more pathetic, the guy who uses whatever dice they please, or the guy who bleats about it?
Really, are you the kind of fella who would gripe during or after a game because your oppo's dice weren't as cheap as yours?

Feel free to actually think about what we are talking about and attempt to add something.

An advantage is an advantage. Using casino dice is the same as using loaded dice. It is done for the same reason, has the same effect, and the argument that either could just as easily be used by the opponent is irrelevant.

I don't play against 'oppos' who are so desperate to win that they buy a different kind of dice that have a statistical advantage.

[Denzark]

What result is most likely has no impact on fairness if both players are subject to that same likelihood. For example, if both players used a set of loaded dice that rolled 6s half of the time, the game would still be fair - different, but fair. The standard dice roll more 1s. Using dice that roll fewer 1s gives an advantage over the other player.

The game might be designed to work with 1/6 probability of each result, but the dice used to play give a less even spread distributed more on the 1. Altering the spread using different dice (whether they have a small bit of lead near the 1 edge or have a different shape - which, outside the level of pathetic-ness, are really the same thing) is cheating.



No kidding. That is why people who buy 'better' (which you just admitted) dice buy themselves an advantage.

I am not sure what your argument is (which brushes are used certainly does not make one space marine more likely to kill another), but casino dice are an advantage over others player, everyone knows they are an advantage, and the people who use them to gain an advantage might as well be moving an extra inch or giving models free upgrades.

I want a random spread! I want to get a 1 or a 6 only 1 out of every six rolls respectively! How the hell is that cheating? To say some one that wants to achieve this is a cheat - without taking into account their motivation - which you have latched onto as 'wanting to roll less ones' not the actuality of what I am saying - 'I want more random because rolling 1 1/5 on knackered dice is rubbish' - makes no effing sense! It is about as much cheating as saying 'Rapture uses GW dice because it favours his army to roll more ones - toughness tests and leadership tests'.

Absolutely barking.

[Popsical]

Feel free to actually think about what we are talking about and attempt to add something.

An advantage is an advantage. Using casino dice is the same as using loaded dice. It is done for the same reason, has the same effect, and the argument that either could just as easily be used by the opponent is irrelevant.

I don't play against 'oppos' who are so desperate to win that they buy a different kind of dice that have a statistical advantage.

But your cheating on toughness tests and leadership tests, you naughty cheating swine you!
The same arguement could be said for new codices, as they are generally better than the last.
Should we all use the same codex to avoid unfair advantages?
As long as players dont use deliberately loaded dice for specific purposes, all is fair in love and war.
If Casino dice are cheating maybe you should go to Vegas and complain!
Your arguement is "pathetic", and i wonder if you have felt aggreived at a past opponents dice to provoke such vehement dislike.
Grow up man, its toy bloody soldiers!

[Rapture]

Why is it rubbish? What does it matter? It doesn't.

Besides, the only reason outside of statistical perfection being part of your religion is that you want to have better die rolls. The is a standard for dice. Everyone knows it and everyone uses dice that fit that standard. Unless, of course, they buy different dice for the purpose of achieving different results. That is the exact same thing that someone does when they buy loaded dice.

[Denzark]

Ths study shows the average round corner d6 is defective and rolls 1s more than it should. I am happy rolling 1s - but don't want to roll them more regularly because of defects. If I used knackered round edge d6 for rolls I wanted low, and casino for rolls I wanted high, I am trying to cheat. If I want true randomness as envisaged by games designers, I am not.

[Popsical]

Apparently not Denzark, apparently the game is designed to be played by players with inaccurate dice and a preference for rolling 1's!
Buying dice loaded to get a certain number is cheating, yes.
Buying dice to get all the numbers to be just as easily obtained is cheating? Your bloody funny!
Logic would say that dice that roll a number more often would be cheating, but your saying that evening it out is also cheating?
Cant win, we are all cheating lmao.

Go to a tournie and acuse everyone with casino dice of cheating, you'll make friends for sure.

[Mr. Furious]

Then you should buy better dice. Complaining about someone using casino dice because GW dice are rubbish is like complaining about someone using non-GW brushes because GW brushes are rubbish. They are not integral to the game, you do not need to use GW dice to play and many players choose not to anyway. Casino dice are just that do their job better and more fairly.

It is also worth noting that GW themselves sell square dice.

Those are the ones I mentioned. Very nice dice and the servo skulls are sweet.

[Denzark]

Apparently not Denzark, apparently the game is designed to be played by players with inaccurate dice and a preference for rolling 1's!
Buying dice loaded to get a certain number is cheating, yes.
Buying dice to get all the numbers to be just as easily obtained is cheating? Your bloody funny!
Logic would say that dice that roll a number more often would be cheating, but your saying that evening it out is also cheating?
Cant win, we are all cheating lmao.

Go to a tournie and acuse everyone with casino dice of cheating, you'll make friends for sure.

For sure. Whereas wanting to take dice that roll 1s 1/5 instead of 1/6 is OK...