What are the best dice in the world ever????????????????

[Rapture]

I don't think anyone other than the designers knows how the game was designed - whether it is a convenient assumption for your argument or not. It would be safe to assume that they know (and use) the dice used by the majority of their players.

But your cheating on toughness tests and leadership tests, you naughty cheating swine you!
The same arguement could be said for new codices, as they are generally better than the last.
Should we all use the same codex to avoid unfair advantages?
As long as players dont use deliberately loaded dice for specific purposes, all is fair in love and war.
If Casino dice are cheating maybe you should go to Vegas and complain!
Your arguement is "pathetic", and i wonder if you have felt aggreived at a past opponents dice to provoke such vehement dislike.

Again - there is a standard. Meeting that standard means playing the way that the vast majority of other players use.

Codex creep is part of the game. We choose to accept it and play with it. It has nothing to do with a discussion of dice.

Using dice that have a higher chance of yielding a higher result is the same as using loaded dice. Obviously, it has the exact same result - an advantage over the opponent based on the choose of the outcome generator.

What dice the use in Vegas is completely and totally irrelevant. Obviously. As those dice are standard for those games.

I have never played against anyone who choose to purchase dice that would give them an advantage over me - for obvious reasons.

[Popsical]

So you wouldnt have any advantages using lower rigged dice?
Of course not.
Its a dice game, you choose to accept that too. In a game of toy soldiers, you would refuse to fight someone because of their dice?
Rather a mature attitude to take one feels.

[DarkLink]

You wouldn't need it per person, you could have table dice and if any are missing at the end of the round it is the responsibility of the people using the tables to account for them.

So now you have an environment where the TO accuses the players of stealing. That's a great way of fostering community and camaraderie. You're just going to frustrate the TO, piss off some of the players, and for what?

[Popsical]

"Again - there is a standard. Meeting that standard means playing the way that the vast majority of other players use."

Who has said there is a "standard"?
Please provide a reference for the dice "standard", so we can all abide from now on.

[Rapture]

Go to the store. Look at the dice they sell. Go to the tables where people are playing 40k. Look at the dice the players are using. Call dice companies and ask them what they sell the most of. You can do all of that, or you can just be reasonable and put some thought into it. Standards do not have to be explicit. If you are seriously going to argue that the chessex style of round corned, bored pip d6s are not the standard, then you will have to talk to someone else.

I have to ask you to try a little harder. You are really not getting the point.

There is a standard. Meeting that standard means that everyone is on a fair playing field. This means that there is no advantage. I would not play against someone with dice that had a higher chance of rolling 6s than the standard dice. I would also not play against someone with dice that had a higher chance of rolling 1s than the standard dice. That is why standards are good - they keep things fair.

I can't figure out why you keep attempting to throw shots about maturity. Although I do appreciate the irony of someone making thoughtless attempts at an insult by calling someone else immature. The issue is not maturity, it is fairness. One player purchasing dice that give them an advantage over the other is unfair. That is a very simple statement and arguing against it, in a reasonable way (keep in mind that there is also nothing in the rules that prohibits using loaded dice (or is that just another standard... should I provide you with a citation?)), will be very difficult, but I will still read whatever you would like to say.

[Popsical]

I have to ask you to try a little harder. You are really not getting the point.

There is a standard. Meeting that standard means that everyone is on a fair playing field. This means that there is no advantage. I would not play against someone with dice that had a higher chance of rolling 6s than the standard dice. I would also not play against someone with dice that had a higher chance of rolling 1s than the standard dice. That is why standards are good - they keep things fair.

I can't figure out why you keep attempting to throw shots about maturity. Although I do appreciate the irony of someone making thoughtless attempts at an insult by calling someone else immature. The issue is not maturity, it is fairness. One playing purchasing dice that give them an advantage over the other is unfair. That is a very simple statement and arguing against it, in a reasonable way, will be very difficult, but I will still read whatever you would like to say.

You are the first person i have encountered in 30+ years of wargaming that refers to a "standard" of dice.
Other than it having 6 sides.
I question your "maturity" merely because you throw around the idea that others are deliberately "cheating".
Others have stated their opinions, as have you. You have accused people of trying to cheat, when in fact it is just your idea of whats fair. Nowhere does any game ive played state that using non wheighted casino dice are not allowed or "standard", nor that it is cheating.

[Rapture]

Loaded dice:
Buying dice that give you an advantage over the other player.

Casino dice / 'better' dice:
Buying dice that give you an advantage over the other player.

Either they are both cheating, or they are both fair - as they are the same exact action with the same exact effect.

Also, doing things that are unfair is cheating. Any 6 year old can tell you that.

You are the first person i have encountered in 30+ years of wargaming that refers to a "standard" of dice.
Other than it having 6 sides.
I question your "maturity" merely because you throw around the idea that others are deliberately "cheating".
Others have stated their opinions, as have you. You have accused people of trying to cheat, when in fact it is just your idea of whats fair. Nowhere does any game ive played state that using non wheighted casino dice are not allowed or "standard", nor that it is cheating.

I have never read a set of rules for any game - ever - where it is stated that using loaded dice is cheating. Call me immature, but I feel like most reasonable people simply know better.

The standard is so obvious it is literally hurting me that you are denying it. I went so far as to give you examples of ways to disprove any standard, so go ahead.

[Kirsten]

there is nothing whatsoever wrong with using 'casino' dice, wanting a statistically average roll is perfectly reasonable, all this arguing back and forth is utterly ludicrous

[Rapture]

The problem, as stated, is that they give one player an advantage through dice.

[Kirsten]

not really, there is nothing to say both players can't use those dice, or your opponent can buy some of their own. You have a disadvantage for characteristics tests or leadership tests. There is nothing at all wrong with wanting a game where you are let down by dice that roll too many ones.