What are the best dice in the world ever????????????????

[DarkLink]

You are the first person i have encountered in 30+ years of wargaming that refers to a "standard" of dice.
Other than it having 6 sides.

And not being loaded. 6 sides, and not loaded, and loaded dice are hard to find. Easy to read is a favor for your opponent, as well. But other than that no one cares.

I question your "maturity" merely because you throw around the idea that others are deliberately "cheating".

He's a troll. I wouldn't bother with any of his crap.

[Rapture]

There is also nothing to say that both players can't use dice loaded to roll 6s. All of this has already been walked through in the thread. There is something wrong with using dice that are purchased to be better than the standard dice.

He's a troll. I wouldn't bother with any of his crap.

A valuable contribution. Feel free to tell me why I am wrong or unreasonable.

[Denzark]

There is also nothing to say that both players can't use dice loaded to roll 6s. All of this has already been walked through in the thread. There is something wrong with using dice that are purchased to be better than the standard dice.



A valuable contribution. Feel free to tell me why I am wrong or unreasonable.

OK. Looking at the study Chessex/GW = 29% 1s. That makes 2-6 71%/5 = 14.2%. That means casino dice are 2.4% more likely to roll 6 than Chessex GW. So you want dice that roll any given figure (in your case 1s) 12.4% more of the time. I want dice that roll any give figure (in my case 6s) 2.4% of the time. That means your desired variation from the norm is 5.16666667 times what mine is - so you are cheating over 5x what I am.

Tell me how that tastes after you have put it in your pipe for a wee puff. Rapture is 500% more of a cheat than Denzark.

[Rapture]

How clever.

Read the thread again. The idea is that there is a standard for dice. It was already explained.

[Pendragon38]

I have notices the longer you hold the dice in your hands the worst you roll, warming them from the heat of your hands.

[Denzark]

How clever.

Read the thread again. The idea is that there is a standard for dice. It was already explained.

The only stipulation in the rules is a D6. Nowhere is a standard laid down. I can't 100% guarantee I know RAW vs RAI - but I am pretty damned sure the games designers have predicated their rules on an even ie 1/6 chance of any given fall of the dice, not a 1/5 chance of 1.

There is no logic to think anything else and no backing to your claim that a worn out round cornered dice represents the standard. The idea you pertain to, exists only in your head.

[Rapture]

It does not matter what the designers were thinking. What matters is that the majority of the players use a certain set of dice that yields a certain probability for the result. Buying dice that change that probability is an advantage. The advantage that comes from casino dice is the exact same advantage that come from loaded dice, only to a lesser extent - that is the point. If you disagree, please feel free to explain why.

The idea is based on the practices of the community. I can only speak for my area, but I been a regular at 4 different games stores in multiple states over the past years, and I am yet to see anyone with a full set of anything other than those exact dice that you are describing. If anyone plays at a store where the majority of the players use casino dice, then I encourage them to share.

Ideas can only exist in people's heads. That is what makes them ideas.

[Denzark]

So by your logic, using casino dice that are weighted to roll 1s 29% of the time would be OK - because that is the supposed standard? What a pile of pish. You forget the 29% figure is an average. Some of these dice were rolling 1s more than that. If a player re-ran the test and then used only the dice that rolled 1s more than 29% of the time - up to 1/3 or 33% of the time, would you say that was fair? But they look the same as the supposed standard, right?

So what if someone without ill intent, uses round cornered dice straight out of the box, and they roll 1s to that 33% - is this cheating, or is it only when the intent is to have an influence in order to win, the cheating? I have already told you my intent would be to have equal randomness, not to win games. So how would I be a cheat?

Also don't be pedantic about language ie ideas. Unexpressed ideas remain only in the head, unfortunately yours defecated out of your fingers through your key board - it is still an idea and that is what we are debating. The fact you have resorted to arguing pedantry and semantics shows you have no answer to the mathmetical proof that you want to influence the dice results to a factor 5 times greater than I do.

[Rapture]

So by your logic, using casino dice that are weighted to roll 1s 29% of the time would be OK - because that is the supposed standard? What a pile of pish. You forget the 29% figure is an average. Some of these dice were rolling 1s more than that. If a player re-ran the test and then used only the dice that rolled 1s more than 29% of the time - up to 1/3 or 33% of the time, would you say that was fair? But they look the same as the supposed standard, right?

So what if someone without ill intent, uses round cornered dice straight out of the box, and they roll 1s to that 33% - is this cheating, or is it only when the intent is to have an influence in order to win, the cheating? I have already told you my intent would be to have equal randomness, not to win games. So how would I be a cheat?

The fact you have resorted to arguing pedantry and semantics shows you have no answer to the mathmetical proof that you want to influence the dice results to a factor 5 times greater than I do.

I don't need mathmetical proof. This is not a mathmetical argument. It is an issue of simple logic and applying it consistently, even if the result seems to initially be obnoxious. A few minutes of thought (or 7 pages of discussion) should be enough to overcome the initial impression.

Ask yourself if using weighted dice is cheating - it is.

Ask yourself why it is cheating - because an advantage is being taken, though not against the rules, by purchasing different dice.

So why are weighted dice wrong? Because there is a standard. The standard is obvious so I won't get into it again.

Intent is not required to cheat. Someone who did the math wrong and added and extra 100 points to their list cheated - just like someone who added an extra 5 points to their list cheated. How guilty they should feel might be different, but it does not change the result. It is similar with casino dice vs. loaded dice.

I don't know how many time I have to say it, but the standard applies and my rampant influence of my die rolls is irrelevant - as was said many times - as I am playing by the same standard that the majority of other players are.

Regarding casino dice with the same probability as normal dice, that would be fine. Think about it with no dice. We use a computer program to generate our outcomes. My computer program outputs 1s 29% of the time, your computer program cost twice as much and it outputs 1s only 16% of the time. Is that fair? The answer is obvious. If the majority of the community that we are a part of is using the 29% program, and you go buy a 16% program, are you cheating? Well, you purchased something that, although there are no rules against it, gives you an advantage. That situations mirrors using weighted dice. Casino dice have the same effect as weighted dice and it comes from the same action. There is no 40k rule against using weighted dice - but using them is still cheating.

So what makes casino dice different than weighted dice?

[Popsical]

You are hilarious sir! Telling us that it doesnt matter what the games designers think, is beyond cracked!
So your right, and people that actually design the game that you merely play could be wrong if they dont ahree with you?

Proof of trolling, and a bit of feet stamping tantrum. Your bloody funny mate lmao.