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    Default Rip my list apart! ('Ard Boyz SemiFinals)

    HQ
    Abaddon
    Lash Sorc

    Elites
    Dreadnought 2xCCW, Heavy Flamer
    Dreadnought 2xCCW
    Terminators(3) 3x Combi-Melta, MoS, LR Transport

    Troops
    Khorne Berzerkers(9),Rhino
    Khorne Berzerkers(9),Rhino
    CSM (10) 2x Melta,Rhino
    CSM (10) 2x Melta,Rhino
    Plague Marines 2x Melta,Rhino

    Fast Attack
    Bikers(3) 2x Melta

    Heavy Support
    Defiler 2xCCW
    Defiler 2xCCW
    Obliterators(2)
    Last edited by MUMBLES; 08-01-2009 at 12:20 AM. Reason: Lists from memory are often not correct

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    Default Ripping aprt your list

    Thats a relativly good list,, but-

    1- Dreadnoughts are quite unreliable, and there are better things you could fill up those elite choices with, unless you are going to use them for a very specific purpose, which they might not manage because they go into crazed. The only useful thing they could be used for is drawing fire.
    2- the lash Sorceror is very good, especially if you brought them into the path of your Bezerkers. Abaddon is also excellent, but at a massive point cost. Sometimes, a cheaper HQ choice is better, especially with the likes of lucius and huron about.
    3- i love terminators and field 30 of them in my Chaos space marine army. Even 3 is enough to cause damage, ad with combi-meltas they can take on pretty much anything.
    4-Khorne bezerkers in a Rhino is a great choice. The Rhinos go across, full pelt, then after 2 turns, the bezerkers leap out and massacre evrything. The plague marines are also a good choice, resisting basically anything that is thrown aganst them. They could be well used taking a heavily contested objective.
    5- Im not fond of Bikers, they dont really have any purpose for me. I dont really like Raptors either. I do like Spawn, but they dont really count and its probably just because i like the models. I still think, overal, you would get more use out of Raptors then you would bikers, due to the fact that they are both as mobile, but raptors are cheaper with more options and, if given the Mark of Khorne, become a bit like flying bezerkers!
    6- Defilers are amazing, but also a target for heavy fire. It may be worth getting something big in to draw away fire from them, and actually, that may be where the Dreadnoughts come in useful.
    7- Obliterators. Amazing things, but expensive (both in getting them and fielding them!)Its worth coming up with a definite plan for them before fielding them, becasue you cant really afford to waste the Obliterators, partly because if their cost, but partiaclly because they're so good.

    There you go.How'd I do?

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    The trouble with criticising peoples list is that a lot depends on your playing style. But 2 points, Dreadnoughts can be quite unpredictable and I've found bikers to be fairly expensive for what they are.

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    Thanks for the replies guys, and it echoes my feeling on the bikes. I think the extra 119pts for two extra meltas isnt worth it.

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    It doesn't look very good.

    Single Land Raider is going to get lit up real quick.

    3 Terminators don't scare anybody.

    Abaddon costs as much as a Land Raider. Which would you rather have? Once his ride is popped he's walking, and useless.

    You have no real threat at range beyond 2 Oblits, the LR (will it be moving forward to unleash the awesomeness of 4 Terminators or staying back to pummel the enemy with 2 almight army-destroying lascannons?) and a pair of Battle Cannons. Nothing in that list stops Land Raiders.

    Plague Marines, CSM, and Bikes do bring a good amount of melta, but since they and the Oblits and LR are the only real threats on the table they will be targetted quickly.

    Berzerkers in Rhinos are very easy to respond to since they have to sit around for a turn before charging.

    Dreads are going to run around and do a fat lot of nothing.

    I think you should figure out what you want to do with this list. As is, it has good elements, but a little bit of everything mixed up in a way that they don't help each other out.

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    I think this list needs less Melta, and more nilla CSM!

    Wait, was that right...

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    Maybe you could replace your bikes with more terminators to put in your Land Raider, and swap Abaddon for someone else.

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    Perhaps I should explain the general idea, especially after my first real criticism. The dreadnoughts are ablative wounds for the defilers, all fleet/run as a default as an armored spearhead with the LR behind it. Termies are deepstriking or riding, depending on the army I'm fighting.

    Thanks for the criticism, and remember WHY do you think its bad? A slam on something in the list without an explanation as to why its a bad idea does nothing for me.

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    Drop Abaddon for Lucius. He's a Lash Sorc that is a fiend in CC. He also inflicts damage when he takes it. I'd get more termies. I also like me some possessed with the mark of Tzeentch. They ar a force to be reckoned with...

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    I found that the whole Dread/Defiler concept horribly flawed when I tried it. Dreads must be deployed aggressively, in order to avoid Friendly Frenzy. Defilers get ******'d in CC with Dreads. Means that they take all the fire, and get neutralised too easily by Melta fire to be Win.

    I can give more detail if that isn't succinct enough.
    Opinions are like aresholes. Get yours outta my face.. MindWar FTW. Bald and Screaming. Couple others...;) Learn something.

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