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    Default WFB 9th Edition Rumor Roundup

    via Warseer 3-11-2013

    via 75hastings69
    I was actually discussing with Harry about a month or so ago that next WFB is not till 2015.
    An extra year would allow all armies to get treatment before new edition in 2015.

    2013
    HE
    Lizardmen

    2014
    DE
    Dwarfs
    Brets(?)

    2015
    WE (?)
    Skaven (?)
    9th edition

    Personally I'd swap WE & Brets around and change Skaven to O&G....... but that's just me


    via NatTreehouse
    9th edition rumors
    Major overhall and not like all the other "major" ones - radical rethink. Ricks gone so other people want to get their hands on it.
    All army books gone and Ravening Hordes replacement
    Timeline moves forward
    So many changes won't come out before 2015, not next year (Memphis got panties in a bunch about this)


    via Harry
    9th will be more than a quick fix.
    I posted months ago to hint as much. I first heard this last year. I have heard it a few times since.
    (...)
    When I said I thought 'it was 2014 but opinions vary' was because I was hearing different things from different folks.
    When it comes to rumours I almost always go with what hastings says ... as he is almost always right.
    So if his sources are saying 2015 ... then thats probably right.

    As for the 'big changes' stuff ... you may want to hold off on the salt a bit.


    via Marked_by_chaos
    Every now and then I have a look at the job vacancies on the gw site out of interest. Recently the nature of adverts and types of jobs seems to have changed. There was in particular a big explosion of design studio jobs advertised at the end of last month. Seems like they are looking for everything from rules writers to background writers to army painters to video/hobby/painting presenters.

    Perhaps they're starting to a get a bit more professional about design studio recruitment i.e. not a weird in house Recruitment process but an attempt to recruit the most effective staff. Some of the jobs indicate a new direction in project work, particularly the split between a rule writer and background writer role. One can only hope for no more kaldor draigos.
    via Harry 5-17-2013
    .... significant changes to the rules, the timeline and the approach to armybooks.
    In particular the rumors that 9th could see a "full reboot" that invalidates all existing Army Books, and then the entire range of 15+ WFB army books gets shrunk down to a handful (say about 4) "Compendiums" that group similar armies.

    This would have the business effect of shrinking WFB's overall footprint and freeing up Games Workshop development resources, allowing the entire cycle of WFB army compendiums to be updated on a shorter timescale.

    Warseer's Earlybird 6-27-2013

    V9 Army books :

    Ancient Kingdoms : Lizardmen/High Elves/Wood Elves/Dwarves/Tomb Kings
    Servants of Dark Gods : Warriors of Chaos/Daemons of Chaos/Beastmen/Skaven/Dark Elves
    Old Word Denizens : The Empire/Bretonnia/Orcs and Goblins/Ogre Kingdoms/Vampire Counts
    via Faeit - (Tim the Thief) 9-2-2013

    Release
    -All Softcover Armybooks will obsolet with the new release.
    -The Starter Box will released at the same time as the Hardback Rulebook
    -The Set will include a Book called "Armies of Warhammer", this Book will handle simplified Armylists for ALL avaitable Armies.
    -Armies of Warhammer will give Player a little view of all Armies and they Units, also it will be a transitional solution for the obsolet
    Armybooks
    -Armies of Warhammer will be a part in the Hardback Rulebook
    -The Rulebook in the Set will be a simplified "Starter Rulebook"
    -A smaller complete Hardback Rulebook will released too, called "Warhammer - The Rules"

    Rules
    -The ruleset will chance again, GW has recognized the last Edition was an hard inpact for sells of Warhammer products
    -The number of special rules will reduced
    -There will be no releases of Fantasy Suppliments, the books will contain more background. Page numbers up to 150 pages are possible!

    Via "Tim the Thief" 10-12-2014
    -Warhammer Fantasy 9th Edition & new Starterset next Year
    -Starterset becomes "Expansion set" & Mailorder Only special Edition
    -Orks & Goblins first 9th editon Armybook

    Starter Set of the 9th Edition Warhammer with following content
    -simplified Starter Rulebook

    -"Armies of Warhammer", simplified Armylists for all
    -Orks and Goblins Army
    --Ork Warboss
    --New Goblinwarriors
    --Ork Warriors

    -Empire Army
    --Captain of the Empire
    --New Spearmen (new Design)
    --New Musketeers (new Design)
    --New Knights (new Design)

    The Set becomes an Expansion with Magic as subject
    -Small Booklet with Magic Rules
    -Additional Models for Mages and two Regiments
    via BoLS 10-22-2013

    Attachment 5344
    Triumph & Treachery
    -It has been designed with 9th edition (next summer) in mind.
    -Many new rule mechanics are already included in the 9th edition ruleset.
    -The main emphasis of the book, multiple players (more than 2) will work with 9th Ed.

    -Storm of Magic by contrast will have a harder time being shoe-horned into 9th.
    -All army books after Dark Elves are being tested under both 8th and 9th rulesets for a seamless integration with 9th. Earlier books will need various amounts of errata to integrate.
    via Harry regarding 9th 1-14-2014:

    I am not saying Yes or No ... I am saying "I don't know".
    All I know is they started into a 'ground up' re-write a couple of years ago.
    Nothing was sacred. Not the timeline. Not the stat line. They started with a fresh page.
    Anything could have changed ... Everything could have changed.
    I have heard ... a few things since ... but not enough to say with any certainty what 9th edition will be.
    via Tim the Thief 2-3-2014
    9th Edition Rules
    -Elves roll 3W6 to determine an attack, dwarf roll 1W6
    -Movement will be simplified
    -Armor saves will change, shield give a special save
    -Skirmishers return to the rules from the 7th
    -2.500p will be the new standard Size for Battles
    -Rules for special dangerous Terrain will be dropped
    via Faeit 3-2-2014

    Regarding the timeline of WFB 9th:

    No definite time for this but warhammer fantasy is moving on. By a significant length of time. Significant.

    Armies aren't so much being 'squatted' though actually it's quite fitting as the influence of chaos grows and disrupts things, so survivors must band together in a whole new dangerous world
    via Kensei Dono 4-7-2014
    Wood elves are from I've been told may. New edition is June/July and the entire history of Fantasy is moving forwards. Sigmar's Blood was just the tip of the iceberg because that is new events in Fantasy.
    Latest 9th Edition Rumors by Father Gabe 9-3-2014

    Just got some news from several sources concerning the strong possibility of 9th edition Warhammer Fantasy.

    1) Coming tomorrow to a GW near you will be a series of new posters for in store advertisement for something BIG as the corporate email stated.
    2) Some GW stores are finding Island of Blood sets are being zeroed out of their system for restock. Similar when Dark Vengeance happened to Assault on Black Reach.
    3) This part is speculation: Bretonnians are going to be playing a big part in the Nagash saga in the beginning, it is believed the following is going to happen:

    a) Pre-Order for 9th Edition will be Sept 13th (with special editions - standard new edition merchandising)
    b) October will receive the new box edition (if standard releases from past is an indicator) which may contain Bretonnians and Undead.
    c) Bretonnians will have a new Army book, model release following that, possibly into November before the Christmas packs roll in.
    d) intermingled among these releases will be probably some filler models (repackaged Crom/Valten/etc.), army bundles, etc.

    4) Not of speculation, though it must be considered rumor, I (and a few chosen) have personally seen new artwork by John Blanche for Bretonnians. Does this mean it will be in the new book? No idea, but sometimes his stuff is used for the sculptors to pull concept to model.

    Or we could be really blindsided by everything and it be 25 new paints (not very likely), Dark Eldar (possible) or something ridiculous like a mass Hobbit release. GW likes to have a strong second quarter launch that will help carry through 3rd quarter (end of February).
    via Tozudos a Dieces 9-4-2014

    Regarding rumors of 9th Edition:

    Original Spanish:
    Junto a esto, Maelström en MB nos ha añadido algunas cosas:

    a 16 días, puedo aseguraros que hay algo de Fantasy gordo para el 20th de Septiembre.

    Algunos dirán, nueva edición.... yo digo no. Va a ser relacionado con el "Aniversario- Fin de los Tiempos"
    Algunos dirán, minuaturas grandes o cajas chulas de personajes y ediciones limitadas.... yo digo es posible.
    Algunos dirán, "caja de inicio del fin de warhammer (menuda contradicción jajaja)... con dos o más ejercitos enfrentados... Yo digo muy posible.
    Algunos dirán que viene Bretonia... yo creo que viene algo pero lo gordo en 2015.

    Un saludo y preparad las billeteras (los que aún tengais algo).
    Translated English:
    Alongside this, in MB Maelström we added a few things:

    in 16 days , I can assure you that there is something big fantasy for September 20th .

    Some will say , new edition .... I say no. It will be linked to the " End Times Anniversary- "
    Some will say , big or cool boxes minuaturas characters and limited editions .... I say you can.
    Some will say , "box to start warhammer (what a contradiction lol ) ... with two or more opposing armies ... I say very possible.
    Some say it comes Bretonnia ... I think something is fat but in 2015 .

    Greetings and prepare the wallets (if you still have anything left).
    Harry's BACK from the wilderness!

    You may remember last year I was being very vague about some 'radical changes' in a thread about 9th edition.

    Back at the start of the year, in one of my first posts of the new year I said this:

    I don't think they are trying to destroy it.
    I suspect they will be trying their hardest to breath new life into it.
    We are not seeing the "End times" for Warhammer just yet.

    Did you see what I did there?
    The clues are always there fellas.

    So I first heard about all this last autumn?
    I was told 2014 would be "Year zero" for Warhammer.

    Had no idea what that meant at first but if you Google your way to the wikipedia you get this:

    The term Year Zero (Khmer: ឆ្នាំសូន្យ chhnam saun), applied to the takeover of Cambodia in April 1975 by the Khmer Rouge, is an analogy to the Year One of the French Revolutionary Calendar. During the French Revolution, after the abolition of the French monarchy (September 20, 1792), the National Convention instituted a new calendar and declared the beginning of the Year I. The Khmer Rouge takeover of Phnom Penh was rapidly followed by a series of drastic revolutionary de-industrialization policies resulting in a death toll that vastly exceeded that of the French Reign of Terror.

    The idea behind Year Zero is that all culture and traditions within a society must be completely destroyed or discarded and a new revolutionary culture must replace it, starting from scratch. All history of a nation or people before Year Zero is deemed largely irrelevant, as it will (as an ideal) be purged and replaced from the ground up.

    It was made clear to me that this was what we were talking about for warhammer.
    Everything that existed being completely destroyed (or discarded) and something new replacing it from scratch ... purged and replaced from the ground up.

    I hinted in various posts that they would be getting rid of the existing timeline, the existing map, etc. (In an effort to soften the blow. )

    I am going to get this a bit wrong because I honestly can't remember where I heard it but to confirm the three book rumour .... I did hear the "End times" were going to be spread over three books.

    Nagash was the first, followed by Malekith followed by Glotkin

    Good luck with that!

    ...You have to ask yourself .... What will remain of the world as we know it when it has been ravaged in turn by the Undead, the Dark Elves, Skaven and Chaos?

    ...Whatever 9th is it will be set in the grimmest, darkest post apocalyptic Warhammer fantasy world yet.


    You think I haven't had all the same thoughts being voiced on here?

    I can't see them throwing out everything they have done either ... but the only way to own the IP is to loose all the generic Fantasy that other companies can copy ... normal Dwarves, Elves and sure as heck you have to get rid of the historical based human armies ... or you can go build an Empire or Bretonnian army from anyone's miniatures.
    I can't see them getting rid of any armies either ... but they can not continue to support all of them so some of them have to go or some get mashed together.
    I can't see them wanting to reduce the number of minis you need .... but if it costs too much to complete an army people don't even start an army ...so is it better to sell some minis for a scaled down game or no minis? Is it better to ramp up the Lords and monsters allowance and keep on selling the big kits so an army is 'more tanks and less infantry' and thus less minis and easier to paint .... or sell no minis.
    Simple fact is so many people have so many armies now unless they do something drastic with the look of the armies no-one is buying enough minis. The only way to force folks to buy new stuff is if we cannot use our current stuff. Some folks may refuse to buy the new stuff on principal ..... what do they care? They were not buying the stuff anyway as they already had their army. Imagine how badly Fantasy must be selling compared to 40K if anyone even thought about knocking it on the head for even a moment .... they must be thinking .... it can't make things any worse!!! What have we got to loose??? But if they are doing this why even bother completing 8th edition? Why do all the books?

    I have been around and around with this in my head ..... the only thing that makes any sense to me at the end of the day is that 8th edition is complete enough and robust enough to endure a bit longer and 9th edition will not be a complete new edition of the rules .... but an alternative background and rules with which to play post End times battles but you still need the core rules to play A bit like all the stuff in Strom of Magic was an add on to the existing rules. The core rules and books will still exist for those that want to remain stuck in the timeline but if you want to be down with the cool kids you really need to buy the new post End Times stuff.
    Let's bring the WFB 9th rumors back full circle:

    I've been doing some heavy rumormongering and data collection and wanted everyone to go back and carefully read this snippet from Harry from way back in January 2014. Now keep in mind all the stuff we have recently had released (End Times) when you read this.

    Color me VERY intriuged...

    via Harry 1-15-2014

    The only reason we are expecting a new edition of Warhammer fantasy Battle is because that is what we have had every few years.

    BUT I remember having a conversation with Jervis and Gav .... so this is gong back a few years ... where they stated that they wanted to get Warhammer to the point that it did not need updating/re-writing and they wanted to get all the army books completed in such a way that they were robust enough to survive changes to the rules so they did not need to keep re-writing them. The reason for doing this was to allow them to look at more interesting things to develop aspects of Warhammer they did not have time to do. We discussed the obvious things like Skirmish, Siege, but also fighting on boats, in tunnels/underground, exploring new areas of the map, etc.

    Alright this was a few editions and many years ago but what if? What if they feel they have reached that point with 8th. Where a new edition isn't going to change very much. Where every army has a book. What if they decide NOT to do a new edition but stick with Warhammer 8th as it is ... consider this the finished product for a while. .... What would they explore next?

    We already have "Storm of Magic" for 'Big magic, Big Monster' games.

    Maybe they would look next at Skirmish? (Autumn Leaves seems convinced).

    So no new BRB ... as rumoured. But a new starter set ... as rumoured.
    Not needing full army books but where all the armies could be combined in less books ... as rumoured. Would certainly be the way to present warband options.

    Mmmm.

    I was still left with some of the other stuff I had heard about the timeline advancing and multiple books. (Will it be two, three or four books?)
    A recent conversation prompted a new line of thought ....
    and started to make a different kind of sense to me.

    What if this was nothing to to with the next edition .... but a "what would they explore next?"
    What if they decided to explore different area of the world or different periods of history? Source books for playing warhammer in different times and places.
    Same game ... same rules set just changing the setting a bit ... bit like the Lustria stuff.

    An excuse to explore some new special rules, introduce some new characters, new monsters, exploring some undiscovered corner of the world or some undescribed period of history ... currently little more than a dot on the map or a story in an army book. A chance to undertake some new modelling projects, sculpt some new minis.
    One book might be 500 years ahead, one 500 years the past (or exploring some key point in recent history). One might be based in an area of the world which has not been detailed yet. (Like the Lustrian stuff).

    This started to make some sort of sense to me ... but it was late at night.

    What if? What if you a games Developer for Warhammer fantasy? What if you were told you didn't need to write an new edition or rewrite an army book? Where would you go next? What aspect of Warhammer would you like to explore?

    Pretty sure I would start with skirmish as I love small games but after that ....
    WFB 9th Edition Latest

    via Steve the Warboss 11-24-2014

    9th Edition Warhammer Fantasy Battles:

    -One Profile for Mounted Units (like End Times units).
    -End Times was full designed for the new Edition, the Books will be 100% compatible.
    -No new Armybook releases until the New Edition is released.
    -Empire in the starter set, the opposing army is undetermined.
    WFB 9th Edition Latest

    via Steve the Warboss 11-25-2014

    -The Work on the Rules has already completed
    -Endtimes will maybe not mentioned in the Rulebook
    -The Design Studio seems working on Siege Rules for an Expansion
    -The Starter Set will return to "step by step" introduction
    -No allied Matrix like 40k, we become something like "factions"
    -GW plans the release for May, Starter will come in June
    via Steve the Warboss 11-28-2014

    Warhammer Endtimes/9th Edition Latest
    -Endtimes will become more than 4 Book
    -The last Books will maybe released after the 9th Edition
    -Empire will be the first Armybook of the new edition
    via Steve the Warboss 12-30-2014

    WFB 9th Starter Box

    -Second Army in starter is still unknown
    -Starter includes two booklets
    -The first is a typical booklet with starter rules and profiles without special rules ect.
    -The second is like them from the 40k campaign sets with following content:

    -Story
    -Scenarios
    -Full Rules for all Models in the Box including special rules
    -The Profiles and Models can be used as unique characters and units in standard games

    -Like 40k Dark vengeance there will be two expansion sets for both armies
    Warhammer 9th Explodes! 1-7-2015

    Here are the full rumors, pay attention to the most accurate of these - Warseer's Darnok and Harry:

    via Darnok: 1-6-2015

    If you like Warhammer, I suggest you better take a seat.

    Over the last few months I got a few glimpses on what WHF could change to in the very near future. I have collected messages, asked questions, and tried to form a somewhat coherent picture. The one thing I believe by now is: Warhammer in its current form will no longer be supported by GW. It will be transformed into something else, with everything built up in background and most of the model range being kicked out of the door.

    To give you an insight into some of the messages I got, have a look at the following. Please note that I am paraphrasing at times, and have cut out (hopefully) everything that could lead to the original identities of my friendly birdies.

    Quote Originally Posted by Birdy
    - 9th Edition to pick up where the ET leaves off in fluff, plus a couple of hundred years or so (to reboot the setting).

    - The Warhammer World gets shattered on a dimensional level during the climax of the ET. No more "map of the Old World" - it's now little bubbles of reality, where pockets of civilisation try desperately to eke a living before the next collision with another bubble, which may be full of Chaos. (To address the problem of "how come my Tomb Kings of Khemri are fighting against Wood Elves from Athel Loren?", not that I get the impression that either of those will still exist, but you get the idea)

    - New faction... heavily armoured, religious, "good" human warriors fighting with the power of the gods. (Warhammer Space Marines, basically). Karl Franz Ascended seems to be the prototype or precursor for this concept, AFAICT.
    Quote Originally Posted by Another Birdy
    9th edition will have 6 factions. Model diversity cut in half shelf space. New world and new age so current factions and lore aren't recognizable at all. Each new faction has like 3 core units that will always be on the shelf. Much faster releases of stuff, mainly characters and special units of 2-5 fancy models (like Morghasts) that have their own rules right in the box, so not dependent on a static army book. Many of the these non-core models are only available for a limited time (say 6 months to a year), so they don't take up shelf space forever and ever. Many existing models are not usable in 9th.
    Quote Originally Posted by Birdy #3
    We can expect the next edition of Fantasy to throw everything up in the air. The whole End Times move has been to wean people onto a whole new take on the Warhammer world and it's going to start with every army being "chaosified". We can expect army play styles and appearance to change quite dramatically and there will be a whole load of new models being released early on to tie everything together. This has caused quite a stir back at GW HQ as there are a lot of people behind the scenes (some of which are very well known to us) who don't like the changes that have been made. I have also been told that the models due to be released are some of the best to date!
    Add to that (and by "Birdy Prime" I mean my best source so far):

    Quote Originally Posted by Birdy Prime
    '9th' [or] whatever is next for fantasy [...] coming 2015 in the summer. The new faction [plus] future releases after this point for five 'existing' factions (which plus this would make six) […] but I think there will be [...] more.
    As you can see, it will be drastic. It seems like those „Spanish rumours“ might have had some more flesh on them than I thought: I am by now sorry for my sometimes nasty words about them. And despite my remorse about ever mentioning it, I think my statement about a „ragestorm of epic proportions“ could have been correct after all.

    via Harry: 1-6-2015

    About six months .... but i first heard about ita good six months before I posted that.
    Sometimes it is not all that cryptic .....

    I tried to find some of my old posts about this. i have posted about this 6 months, 12 months and 18 months ago. But many of my recent posts have been deleted.???

    In the end I had to go find some of what I had said on BOLS Forum where Big red had quoted me from here. (Thanks Red)

    OK, here's one for you .....

    Chaos Vs "Humans".

    Quote Originally Posted by Tozudos a Dieces:
    I've just read The fall of Altdorf.

    OMG.

    At least fluff-wise, nothing's gonna be again the same. It all will change. All.

    Harry: You are not wrong there fella. That is what I have been saying.

    Quote Originally Posted by Ludaman:
    Awesome! Thanks Harry! I may be way off, but that sounds like the contents of a new starter Box to me.

    Harry: We have been playing this game together for too many years.


    Big Red: So first up, Harry called the End Times and Glottkin by name over 6 months out. So when he says something, you should take it as much more serious than garden variety rumors.

    This insinuation of new boxed sets and unified "Human" factions all feeds back into Harry's earlier speculation on GW utterly shattering the game with the End Times series, to produce a very different environment and game on the other side of the series.

    After months of absence, the BEST rumormonger out there returns to talk about the End Times of Warhammer Fantasy:

    Harry's BACK from the wilderness!


    Harry: You may remember last year I was being very vague about some 'radical changes' in a thread about 9th edition.

    Back at the start of the year, in one of my first posts of the new year I said this:

    I don't think they are trying to destroy it.
    I suspect they will be trying their hardest to breath new life into it.
    We are not seeing the "End times" for Warhammer just yet.

    Did you see what I did there?
    The clues are always there fellas.

    So I first heard about all this last autumn?
    I was told 2014 would be "Year zero" for Warhammer.

    Had no idea what that meant at first but if you Google your way to the wikipedia you get this:

    The term Year Zero, applied to the takeover of Cambodia in April 1975 by the Khmer Rouge, is an analogy to the Year One of the French Revolutionary Calendar. During the French Revolution, after the abolition of the French monarchy (September 20, 1792), the National Convention instituted a new calendar and declared the beginning of the Year I. The Khmer Rouge takeover of Phnom Penh was rapidly followed by a series of drastic revolutionary de-industrialization policies resulting in a death toll that vastly exceeded that of the French Reign of Terror.

    The idea behind Year Zero is that all culture and traditions within a society must be completely destroyed or discarded and a new revolutionary culture must replace it, starting from scratch. All history of a nation or people before Year Zero is deemed largely irrelevant, as it will (as an ideal) be purged and replaced from the ground up.

    It was made clear to me that this was what we were talking about for warhammer.
    Everything that existed being completely destroyed (or discarded) and something new replacing it from scratch ... purged and replaced from the ground up.

    I hinted in various posts that they would be getting rid of the existing timeline, the existing map, etc. (In an effort to soften the blow. )

    I am going to get this a bit wrong because I honestly can't remember where I heard it but to confirm the three book rumour .... I did hear the "End times" were going to be spread over three books.

    Nagash was the first, followed by Malekith followed by Glotkin

    Good luck with that!


    ...You have to ask yourself .... What will remain of the world as we know it when it has been ravaged in turn by the Undead, the Dark Elves, Skaven, and Chaos?


    ...Whatever 9th is it will be set in the grimmest, darkest post apocalyptic Warhammer fantasy world yet.

    You think I haven't had all the same thoughts being voiced on here?

    I can't see them throwing out everything they have done either ... but the only way to own the IP is to loose all the generic Fantasy that other companies can copy ... normal Dwarves, Elves and sure as heck you have to get rid of the historical based human armies ... or you can go build an Empire or Bretonnian army from anyone's miniatures.
    I can't see them getting rid of any armies either ... but they can not continue to support all of them so some of them have to go or some get mashed together.
    I can't see them wanting to reduce the number of minis you need .... but if it costs too much to complete an army people don't even start an army ...so is it better to sell some minis for a scaled down game or no minis? Is it better to ramp up the Lords and monsters allowance and keep on selling the big kits so an army is 'more tanks and less infantry' and thus less minis and easier to paint .... or sell no minis.
    Simple fact is so many people have so many armies now unless they do something drastic with the look of the armies no-one is buying enough minis. The only way to force folks to buy new stuff is if we cannot use our current stuff. Some folks may refuse to buy the new stuff on principal ..... what do they care? They were not buying the stuff anyway as they already had their army. Imagine how badly Fantasy must be selling compared to 40K if anyone even thought about knocking it on the head for even a moment .... they must be thinking .... it can't make things any worse!!! What have we got to loose??? But if they are doing this why even bother completing 8th edition? Why do all the books?

    I have been around and around with this in my head ..... the only thing that makes any sense to me at the end of the day is that 8th edition is complete enough and robust enough to endure a bit longer and 9th edition will not be a complete new edition of the rules .... but an alternative background and rules with which to play post End times battles but you still need the core rules to play A bit like all the stuff in Strom of Magic was an add on to the existing rules. The core rules and books will still exist for those that want to remain stuck in the timeline but if you want to be down with the cool kids you really need to buy the new post End Times stuff.

    I don't know what else I can add to this.
    I don't have all the answers.

    But for what its worth .... I think it will be round bases.
    First said that on here more than 18 months ago .... when someone guessed close to the mark talking about WFB becoming a skirmish game.
    And finally, commenters over at Faeit212 chime in:

    Let me give you some confirmation:
    The setting is being completely overhauled - true.
    The concept of a huge chunks of the world in a sea similar to the warp from 40k - true.
    Faction reduction to 6 - true


    As for how it interacts with the current rules.
    9th edition takes place after the sundering that brought about from the End Times.

    So for the purposes of compatibility, you can use your 8th edition hardback book, representing a section of the culture that hasn't been horrifically changed by the End Times (Recognizing it will have the same drawbacks of using a dated book that are experienced elsewhere).

    You can use End Times rules/concepts, representing a section that is still being torn apart.

    You can use the new, post-end times rules to represent what is "current."


    All the books (again, with the caveat that older books may not be optimal for the new core rules [but truthfully the core rules aren't changing wildly, like 5th to 6th edition 40k, really more of a tidied up 8th edition with a brand new setting]) are designed to be compatible.

    Support will be towards the new book, new setting, however, with End Times being in the past. Viable, but not current.

    Expect armies to have fewer units in their core books, which will be heavily focused on the fluff for where they are now, what they've been doing in the centuries immediately following the sundering. This will create a more "balanced" pool as they will be rapidly produced and released (consider a scale even somewhat faster than what we've had for 40k these past few years).


    These will then be expanded on with supplements, not intended as money-grabs (as I am sure they will be received by the majority of your readers), but more as guided hands to acknowledge deficiencies in books, or even "global meta" changes. The first time that Games Workshop will be openly acknowledging things that need changes.

    These units will typically get white dwarf rules treatments heralding the release in hardback of all of the new units from the previous month(s), for a new setting expansion, which will pit several of the races together (representing a collision).

    As these expansions are not permanent in the world, so too will these models not be. They are intended to only get one template injection mold life-run, the same as the books will be printed only once in hardback, then delayed paperback.

    They will of course remain legal throughout all of 9th, they will just be more limited eventually, the same as the end time models will not be available forever, the same as XYZ model is no longer available (just with a shorter life span than previous experienced). I mean... you can't get albion models anymore either, but that campaign was before people whined on the internet, so I guess that's why no one's complaining.

    This will allow for more new models, as contrary to common belief, the storage and rejuvenation of these templates takes a lot of resources which can be instead dedicated to new ones.


    On the topic of round bases. The latest version I saw used round bases, but units had the option of ranking up to receive the typical bonuses. To rank up using round bases, it is intended to use new movement trays which have circular cuts to hold the bases of the appropriate size.

    Nothing stops you from (and in many ways you are encouraged to) maintain unit formation the entire game. But you don't have to. Note that throughout all of Warhammer Fantasy, changing width/depth was an option, it's just rarely seen.

    So to summarize - you can skirmish, but it's in your interests to rank up for different reasons, like shield walling before a charge for instance. You can alternatively always hold a formation and move the way we're all used to.

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    This will be a very big change. It is not because GW doesn't care about its old players and just wants to attract new ones. It is not to fill a void that will come from the fading of Lord of the Rings (which will remain in stores and be supported for a long time due to the agreement with New Line Cinemas).

    It is just a very fresh look at a game that hasn't changed dramatically in how it's played since the dawn of the game and company. It will give everyone the opportunity and hopefully inspiration to do something new, but without invalidating everything from the past. It is opening room for creativity, not closing doors.


    Yes, army books will eventually feel too out of date to play, but that's the same with any new edition. And new Army Books will typically allow people to recreate what they're "used to" it just might not be the most effective thing they could do with their new book.

    The new faction are basically the opposite of warriors of chaos, but good the way chaos marines are the opposite of space marines but evil (in terms of broad tropes, I really hope this doesn't spawn some kind of debate about the morality of space marines).

    Lastly, nothing stops you from just playing 8th, and ignoring 9th the same way some people ignore End Times. Just understand that unlike Storm of Chaos which was post-production looked at as an "alternate timeline" where the clock was turned back to right before it took place for the purposes of the setting, the End Times are real, and 9th will begin where it left off.
    And Earlybird chimes in:

    from the horse mouth

    factions :

    1) Chaos : Demons + Beasts + Mortals
    2) Elves
    3) Empire
    4) Undead
    5) Orcs and Goblins
    6) Skavens

    Lizards are gone in space.
    Dwarves survivors join the empire with the ogres.

    1) Chaos core : Warriors of chaos/chariot/Hounds
    Demons figs will be kept as they are usable in 40k
    Bye bye marauders, ungors, centigors, razorgor etc

    2) Elves core : spearmen/archers/cavalry on horse
    No more xbows
    the 3 elves will blend in one faction
    dark elves monsters are gone : cold ones, hydra

    3) Empire core: Hallberds/Handgun/Canon
    Some dwarves survivors and ogres are included
    Imperial and bretonnian knights are merged

    4) Undead core : Skeletons/Ghouls/Spirit host
    bye bye bone giant, scorpion sphinx, chariots and everything too much egyptian

    5) Orcs and goblins core : Goblins/Orcs/Black orcs
    no real change for them

    6) Skaven core : Clanrats/Plague rats/Rat ogres
    no real change for them too
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    Nah.

    I don't buy it. Ditching all the army books, but holding release off until they've all been done? Seems counter productive to me.
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    Yeah, I'm going into toxic shock from all the salt that comes with those rumours. Even if it is being worked on at the mo, there won't be anything concrete to speculate about. I don't get why hastings is suggesting O&G instead of Skaven; O&G already have an 8th edition book, Skaven are still on 7th ed. Not to mention WE wont get done in 8th.
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    Whether the 2015 date is right or not, I would like it if every army was covered before the ruleset is updated again. And yeah Orcs & Goblins have already been done this edition, they were the first to be done even, and there are many armies that are (or should be) ahead of them in the queue to get a new book. Considering how much errata there is for the Skaven book I wouldn't be surprised if they were sooner than listed.
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    Not to mention the fact it is unstoppable in low points games. Still, I don't think it will get done until late on; they are a good selling range which is pretty much all plastic and they have a very competitive book. No real need to do them before the end of the cycle. I've also just notice that hastings' rumour about getting all the armies done doesn't include Beastmen, so I think it is safe to assume that Beastmen are going the way of SoB.
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    As others have mentioned I find it weird that GW would worry about producing an Army Book for every army in 8th edition only to release 9th edition and say, "All previous Army Books are invalidated". They've certainly done strange things in the past but that would top the cake if true.

    Skaven really just need a newly printed book that incorporates all the existing errata. It drives me nuts that probably half the rules section of the book is either ignored, replaced, or otherwise altered.

    I also wouldn't be too quick to say Beastmen are going the way of SoB. While they certainly have a weak book, they are still playable (unlike a certain other army) and have several strong points within the book. They received the last 7th edition book so as far as timelines go, they are probably not a pressing concern.

    O&G replacing Skaven in the timeline would be weird... the O&G book is fine, a bit bland, but a solid effort that still performs very well and that also brings the army to the 8th edition baseline. If that part were true the only two armies that wouldn't be at the 8th edition baseline would Skaven and Beastmen.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Chronowraith View Post
    Skaven really just need a newly printed book that incorporates all the existing errata. It drives me nuts that probably half the rules section of the book is either ignored, replaced, or otherwise altered.
    Not to mention very unclear rules galore. I definitely think the book could do with a good dose of cleanup and fixing some of the weak units. I don't think they need a big rewrite, in fact I would be very sad if they removed the flavour of Skaven (horde, cheap slaves, wacky rules (just make them clear!)) instead of adding more.

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    I believe what Harry and Hastings say, so 9th in 2015 and more than just tweaking 8th. Until they say something abotu dropping all army books and a Ravening Hordes type set up then I'm burying that under a mountain of salt.
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    Not sure it can be all that radical. Perhaps new flier rules, that could be fun. And something done to Cavalry. Perhaps some kind of 'breakthrough' rule for combat res.
    Ronnie Soak.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Chronowraith View Post

    I also wouldn't be too quick to say Beastmen are going the way of SoB. While they certainly have a weak book, they are still playable (unlike a certain other army) and have several strong points within the book. They received the last 7th edition book so as far as timelines go, they are probably not a pressing
    Sorry, I was trying to be humorous. I don't thnk they are for the chop, just pointing out the flaw in claiming all books will be done and then missing one of the armies from the list. Makes rumours harder to believe when they contradict themselves.
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