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  1. #8521

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    Wow, that mohawk IS cool.

    Also, let's just agree that it is an awful shirt. I wouldn't be seen dead in that thing.
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  2. #8522

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kirsten View Post
    it is not about abusive names, what happens is that you tend to reach a point where you get fed up. you are with us for most of the discussion, then you decide that something has gone too far, and you turn on EG and declare that she is being hysterical and aggressive and unreasonable and damaging. you know it is true, it happens every time a big issue comes up.
    You seem to assume that once you're in a group, you're mandated to follow whoever leads that group no matter what. It doesn't work like that.

    Also as far as Animal Rights, it's a little jarring to have someone push a cause they have a personal investment in, yet casually dismiss another they do not with phrases like, "a comparison to animal rights is pointless because animals cannot actually communicate their own experiences."

    Which implies that any oppression where the people being oppressed aren't able to speak out about it is pointless to compare to. Mainly because those are the most important cases of all.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mr Mystery View Post
    In short - if someone is directly offended by something (by directly, I mean they themselves are offended, rather than saying someone else might be) then guess who holds the casting vote to whether they were offended?

    The person being offended!
    That's fair, but can that person then presume to speak for their entire gender, sexuality, race or just themselves?

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    Quote Originally Posted by CoffeeGrunt View Post
    I was gunna ignore this one, but it's been two days now...

    First off, Eldargal, your opinion on Animal Rights is just plain wrong. The fact an animal cannot say, "I am oppressed," is not a means to deny that Animal Rights is an important thing. In fact, the fact they can't talk to us is the most important part - it's compassion for less intelligent beings that don't possess our cognitive problem solving abilities to escape it.
    Except I wasn't doing that. It is really this simple:

    Animals cannot communicate their experience of cruelty so their opinions cannot be invalidated or dismised, therefore comparing men talking about what is or isn't sexist to men talking about what is or is not animal abuse cannot be a valid comparison.

    Women can communicate their experiences of oppression and they are in a better position to understand them than a male who does not experience it. So therefore men should NOT be able to speak over women on issues of sexism. Their opinions are not as important as the lived experiences of the oppressed.

    It's that simple.

    I'm also not saying men can't venture an opinion, I'm saying MEN SHOULD NOT SPEAK OVER WOMEN. Men are more than welcome to discuss how the patriarchal values of our society impacts them for example.
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    I certainly wasn't trying to speak over you. You do know more about being a woman than I do, this is biological fact. But you can't just dismiss what I say either, especially when largely I am agreeing with you.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Psychosplodge View Post
    That's fair, but can that person then presume to speak for their entire gender, sexuality, race or just themselves?
    Dunno. But if they are a representative of a given gender, and find a depication of same gender offensive, I'd say they're eminently qualified to say others of their gender would find the same offensive.
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    The patriarchy recently (yesterday) just pushed me out of a promotion, for example, because they went over me and my manager's head and hired an outsider to take the position.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kirsten View Post
    it is not about abusive names, what happens is that you tend to reach a point where you get fed up. you are with us for most of the discussion, then you decide that something has gone too far, and you turn on EG and declare that she is being hysterical and aggressive and unreasonable and damaging. you know it is true, it happens every time a big issue comes up.
    We are all perfectly capable of coming across as abrasive at times especially when it relates to issues that our very personal. EG's approach just happens to come across as more 'in your face' and unapologetic then others. There's nothing inherently wrong with this approach but it can elicit emotionally charged responses.
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    Quote Originally Posted by eldargal View Post
    Except I wasn't doing that. It is really this simple:

    Animals cannot communicate their experience of cruelty so their opinions cannot be invalidated or dismised, therefore comparing men talking about what is or isn't sexist to men talking about what is or is not animal abuse cannot be a valid comparison.

    Women can communicate their experiences of oppression and they are in a better position to understand them than a male who does not experience it. So therefore men should NOT be able to speak over women on issues of sexism. Their opinions are not as important as the lived experiences of the oppressed.

    It's that simple.

    I'm also not saying men can't venture an opinion, I'm saying MEN SHOULD NOT SPEAK OVER WOMEN. Men are more than welcome to discuss how the patriarchal values of our society impacts them for example.
    Okay. First off, I'm sorry I missed the point of your post, it was worded a little too concisely to really get that across, so thank you for clarifying.

    However, I don't think anyone was talking over the women here, merely...against. I don't think it's really possible to talk over another person on the internet, aside from using ALLCAPS, but maybe that's just in how I read posts.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mr Mystery View Post
    Dunno. But if they are a representative of a given gender, and find a depication of same gender offensive, I'd say they're eminently qualified to say others of their gender would find the same offensive.
    To a degree, but a woman designed that shirt, so we need a metric beyond just a member of the affected demographic to pass opinion on it.

    Hence why, when a whole bunch get annoyed over it, it's worth listening to in order to find out how/why.
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    As to hunting, we eat EVERYTHING we kill and we do not kill more than we need and we take every possible measure to ensure the animals do not suffer.

    Also I have never claimed to speak on behalf of all women.
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