A Crash Course in Feminism Mk. II (or, why everyone should be a feminist)

[eldargal]

So no double standards in games journalism?
I think this is from the[URL="http://antinegationism.tumblr.com/post/100190762106/joe-bernstein-is-claiming-the-transcript-you-posted"] same logs[/URL] as yours.

but to fair shes largely irrelevant to this now, the accusations surrounding her were merely the straw that broke the camels back. Lots of the reports have said this was coming.

No they were not the straw that broke the camels back. They were a female developer making a free game being subjected to an orchestrated attack started by her ex-boyfriend and used by people who wanted a showdown with feminists and feminist allies they see as polluting the game industry by championing diversity. They aren't targeting the corporations that pay media outlets to give good reviews ,nor the media outlets. They are not targeting the people with money and power, they are targeting indie developers, feminists and journalists from websites who are devoting literally only a couple of percent at most of their output to anything vaguely related to social justice. This is not some crusade for journalistic integrity, if it were they would be targeting IGN, Activision, Electronic Arts etc. Not Zoe Quinn, Anita Sarkeesian, Brianna Wu et al. But that is who they are targeting.

The threats could be from anyone, come they're on essentially anonymous internet sites, the guardian report even said there was no mention of gg in the mass shooting threat.
I don't defend harassment. I just think theres more credibility in the issues surrounding the corrupt press than the idea of its a harassment campaign against women.

The Guardian is wrong, there were threats against Sarkeesian that explicitly mentioned Gamer Gate.

If you defend Gamer Gate as anything other than an attack on feminists in the media you are defending harassment, because that is what Gamer Gate is. It was started as a movement to attack women in video game journalism, it attacks women in video game journalism and they have not once gone after any of the genuinely corrupt entities in the video game media. Everyone knows game journalism is corrupt, everyone knows developers buy good reviews from IGN and other sites yet Gamer Gate goes after a woman making a free game to raise awareness of depression. Gamer Gate is thoroughly and utterly corrupt itself, utilising harassment and illegal behaviour to try and silence opinionated SJWs.

Also those quotes you posted are obscenely biased.

[URL="https://medium.com/@projectid/max-temkin-and-rape-culture-9fc2599196e8"]Max Temkin ADMITTED to having sex with the woman, but he thought it was consensual, she didn't.[/URL] To say he had no idea what was going on is a deliberate mis-characterisation of the situation and that person should be ****ing ashamed of themselves.

Brad Wardell was false accused, and the lawsuit against him was dismissed, the fact the ALLEGATIONS were widely reported in the media is hardly unusual, that is what the media does. The lawsuit being dismissed was also widely reported.

Wozniak did accuse* Quinn of sexually harassing him, and if she did that is bad, but that STILL does not justify Gamer Gate and the ongoing harassment of women in the industry in its name.

*It's funny how harassment of women in the industry is always being fabricated by them, but some guy claims he was sexually harassed and it is taken as gospel truth.

Even if Zoe Quinn is a thoroughly reprehensible person who has been harassing people IT STILL DOES NOT JUSTIFY GAMER GATE! IT DOES NOT JUSTIFY THE HARASSMENT!

As I've said over and over, if Gamer Gate was about journalistic integrity they would be going after IGN, EA, Activision, Blizzard etc. etc. But they are not.

[Kirsten]

"Rare vintage photograph of an onna-bugeisha, one of the female warriors of the upper social classes in feudal Japan"

[Psychosplodge]

And the vast majority of people supporting GG clearly do not support harassment. It's all there to see.
people on both sides of the tag are harassing and more people aren't.

[Gotthammer]

Female samurai are awesome, like Hōjō Masako who changed women's inheritance rights (and set up a slight puppet government with her as head) and Nakano Takeko who lead an all female unit in battle and was pretty badass.

[CoffeeGrunt]

As far as human fragmentation, it's an evolutionary defense mechanism. The worst possible thing to happen to Mankind would be a biological unity, as the variation of race and other genetics means that things like disease, environmental change or other existential hazards are mitigated by potentially having a population adapted to withstand it within a few individuals. Technology and Science have supplemented this to amazing degrees.

As far as ideological fragmentation, the problem comes that in the broad strokes, no-one is fully right. Communists are correct that a system of true equality would be excellent, but it never works out like that. Capitalists are correct that a system of justified reward for the work you put in is fair, but it never works out like that. Some believe that Mankind should focus its attention on the Sciences, some on the Arts and Media. After all, Science makes you live longer, but Art makes it worth living.

Why do people come to hate other groups? They see them as sub-human, it's the only way a human can kill another. No war was ever thought where one side truly thought the other were decent, honest soldiers like themselves, not without the soldiers themselves being scarred by it. If you want soldiers who'll scythe through the "enemy" and step over their corpses without regret, you have to make sure the enemy is an existential threat which is something so disgustingly inhuman that it isn't worthy of survival. Racism, religion and sadly even Science have been used to perpetrate this in the past and present, and seems unlikely to let up in the future.

The saddest thing is the fact that we like to think of War as the Human Disease. However, apes have been studied in the last few years, and in their own way, tribes will launch territorial attacks on each other with the intent to kill, infants are beaten to death, and the land claimed. Such fighting is sadly a component of the survival instinct necessary to thrive.

[Psychosplodge]

I remember them being sort of mentioned in Shogun, but not in the terms of actually donning armour, more of it being a sort of caste rank?

[eldargal]

And the vast majority of people supporting GG clearly do not support harassment. It's all there to see.
people on both sides of the tag are harassing and more people aren't.

But they support Gamer Gate, so they are supporting harassment because Gamer Gate was started to harass and is continuing to be used to shield harassers. Supporting Gamer Gate is like supporting NotAllMen, you don't have to be doing the attacking, but you're helping shield the people who are by shifting attention away from the problem (harassment). When the vasts majority who don't do bad things allow themselves to shield those who do, they become part of the problem.

If people are serious about reforming gaming journalism than using #gamergate is not the way to go about it, it started as a tool to destroy Zoe Quinn and has become a ralying cry against those who champion diversity in the video gaming industry. It can't be separated from that into some kind of misunderstood attempt to reform journalism.

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Female samurai are awesome, like Hōjō Masako who changed women's inheritance rights (and set up a slight puppet government with her as head) and Nakano Takeko who lead an all female unit in battle and was pretty badass.

Oh wow they are so fantastic.

[Mr Mystery]

[url=http://www.thedailymash.co.uk/news/arts-entertainment/gamers-pushing-societys-buttons-for-cheat-code-2014101791825]Daily Mash seems to have put their finger on the Gamergate button...[/url]

[YorkNecromancer]

And the vast majority of people supporting GG clearly do not support harassment. It's all there to see.
people on both sides of the tag are harassing and more people aren't.

Supporting GamerGate because you believe in journalistic integrity is like supporting Pennywise the Dancing Clown because you believe kids should be in school.



Yeah, what you're supporting kind of makes sense, until you step back and realise you're supporting a horrible, horrible thing that cannot be reasoned with, negotiated with, and whose only goal is to bring destruction and pain to the innocent because it likes the way their tears taste.

F*** Gamergate. It's nothing but a collection of misogynists and intellectual cowards.

[eldargal]

There were some reports from people spying on the 4chan crowd I think saying they were really pissed off the mainstream media saw through the GG shield and reported the misogyny, I guess they expected the media would take their side. Even if the campaign to get teh GG campaign as a shield was a success itself it hasn't worked in actually masking them as well as they think and the whole thing is backfiring rather spectacularly.