A Crash Course in Feminism Mk. II (or, why everyone should be a feminist)

[YorkNecromancer]

How much is 'natural' and how much is socialisation remains to be seen, actually. At the moment, yes, men can develop greater upper body strength but as I mentioned the differences have narrowed considerably over the past century.

I think the bottom line is:

If a male and female boxer weigh the same, have the same reach, equal skill: why can't they fight professionally? Oh, that's right: sexist bull****.

As far as physical strength goes, humans haven't used that to determine who was fittest to survive since the invention of lying.

Cute girl: "Hey Big Strong Dave? What's that behind you?"

*Big Strong Dave turns and dies*

Cute girl: "Oh, what do you know, it was a fatal stabbing."

There's a reason Khal Drogo's physical prowess didn't help him.

[Deadlift]

It's the physical differences in the upper body that would make that kind of match up a bit difficult. Neck strength and punch absorption as one example. Not saying woman can't fight men and win, I know enough female kick boxers and mma from my gym to know that. But I just don't think you would normally get a fair fight in your example. I've seen fights where women have won but it's not the norm and don't believe the vids you see on YouTube they mostly crap.

Best knockout punch for a laugh is Butterbean vs Bart Gunn. Awesome

[url]http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=f-JFOYQu_jA&desktop_uri=%2Fwatch%3Fv%3Df-JFOYQu_jA[/url]

[YorkNecromancer]

But I just don't think you would normally get a fair fight in your example. I've seen fights where women have won but it's not the norm and don't believe the vids you see on YouTube they mostly crap.

Get intergender fights funding the equal of men's fights, and I'm sure you'd see a change. It's like when people say "Women's football isn't as good as men's"; maybe, but women's football has funding the equivelant to 0.05% of men's. That funding pays for WAAAAAAY more training sessions.

The England men's football team captain doesn't have to work a second job to pay the bills, after all.

Also, that knockout. Bart Gunn = King of the Jobbers.

I much prefer an armbar finish.

(WARNING: violent clip) [url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5Iyuo9Kvy0s[/url]

(Have I mentioned my massive crush on Rhonda Rousey? Her technique is unparalleled.)

[DarkLink]

I think the bottom line is:

If a male and female boxer weigh the same, have the same reach, equal skill: why can't they fight professionally? Oh, that's right: sexist bull****.

As far as physical strength goes, humans haven't used that to determine who was fittest to survive since the invention of lying.

Cute girl: "Hey Big Strong Dave? What's that behind you?"

*Big Strong Dave turns and dies*

Cute girl: "Oh, what do you know, it was a fatal stabbing."

There's a reason Khal Drogo's physical prowess didn't help him.

The female boxer would still be disadvantaged. Males are quite a bit more muscularly dense. The female would probably have to outweigh the male by a fair amount to be in the same effective weight class. Now, if we're talking lightweights, this isnt all that unreasonable. But when you start getting to the heavyweights, then the difference would probably be too much to overcome. The female would be at a large enough disadvantage at a professional level that you'd have a massive glass ceiling.

[Gotthammer]

You're all also talking about outliers - professionally fit people - not the average person. Ie "Athletic men who do strength training have a higher theoretical maximum than athletic women performing the same training", which is different to "men are stronger". Remove people from that environment, or apply different socialisation (more agrarian societies, physical workplaces [but not the sort that require heavy conditioning]) and the difference if far, far less noticeable if there is any real one at all.

[daboarder]

Hold on guys,

the average weight in humans is around 55-65 for women and 75-85 for men
The average height is approximately 5,0-5,5 for women and 5,5 to 5,9 for men

thats not "sociality" thats genetics and evolution. sociality has no effect on a persons height thats for sure.

[Gotthammer]

And height and weight have nothing to do with strength either (see: BoLS fatties club for weight, Deadlift for height).

[daboarder]

In other news,


[url]http://www.abc.net.au/news/2013-10-23/sentence-expected-in-adf-skype-sex-case/5039296[/url]

Yeah thats the way to teach them an lesson judge, slap that wrist a bit, I'm sure they won't be drinking bears thinking "**** we can get away with this ****" tonight. Spineless judges really need to pull their collective heads out of their rears.

General deterrence has been achieved,"

And then destroyed by giving good behavious bonds

Neither offender said anything to the complainant when what had happened became known to show regret or remorse for what they did," he said.

"Neither stood up in court after the complainant read her victim impact statement to say they regret what they did

But I really think that now they have officially been let off by the court they will learn their lesson.

Excuse me while I go puke

[DarkLink]

Well, they do, but they're not the only factors. Bodyfat percentage increases weight but not strength. Long limbs are disadvantageous for some lifts, but height is correlated with increased base weight, so big people have more absolute strength but generally lift a lower percentage of their body weight. Build matters a lot as well.

So, yes, bodyweight and strength are not 100% correlated, but it's it's still a strong correlation.

Also, gotthammer, I'm specifically referring to a male and female at similar levels of fitness and experience. Since training is outside the purview of sexual dimorphism, assuming that the male and female have very similar levels of training is the only logical approach. So if you consider programs that are extremely positive in their treatment of equality, such as Crossfit (which openly preaches that women should be trained just like men and scoffs at the vast majority of the women's fitness industry), you see that 1) women can be strong, and 2) men have a significant raw physical advantage.

[eldargal]

Hold on guys,

the average weight in humans is around 55-65 for women and 75-85 for men
The average height is approximately 5,0-5,5 for women and 5,5 to 5,9 for men

thats not "sociality" thats genetics and evolution. sociality has no effect on a persons height thats for sure.

Actually it is socialisation, if it weren't the differences between male and female athletes wouldn't have narrowed significantly over the past century. How much of it is socialisation remains to be seen.

Interesting fact, in some studies of modern hunter gatherer tribes researches determined the women burn more calories foraging for food and use their upper body strength more often and more strenuously digging up tubers than the male hunters.

[URL="http://www.dailydot.com/fandom/man-banter-new-york-comic-con-cosplay-harassment/"]Organised, commercialised sexual harassment of cosplayers at NYCC[/URL]:

Comic conventions are supposed to be fun, inviting places where diverse groups of people can gather together to enjoy their shared geeky passions. Unfortunately, con attendees, especially women, all too often have their weekends spoiled by harrassment and sexist behavior.

This was the case again this weekend at New York Comic Con. On Sunday, word spread through New York City’s Jacob Javits Center that cosplayers should be on the lookout for a “creepy” film crew harassing women.

The creeper interviewer (which will now be known at TCI) was about 5’ 2” – 5’4” tall (we were eye-level with each other), slightly stocky athletic built, short crew cut dark hair, brown eyes and tanned complexion. He had at least three others with him, dressed all in black. One of them carried a full camera with built in sound boom, and one other had a clip board and looked like a production assistant. There was some sort of logo on the cameraman and on the interviewer’s mic (probably some generic “The_____ show” but I couldn’t see clearly).

The following the conversation we had:

TCI: (hurriedly) Would you like to be interviewed for a show?

Me: For what show?

TCI: A TV show.

Me: What TV show?

TCI: A TV show

Me: Ok…

(Note: That should have been the first warning, but I was on my guard)

TCI: So, if I were walking in the rain, could I pay you to walk next to me with your umbrella?

Me: Pay me?

TCI: If I paid you?

Me: Then, buy your own umbrella.

TCI: No, I want to buy an umbrella with an Asian girl.

(Warning bell one)

Me: Then no.

TCI: Are you a geisha?

Me: No.

TCI: Can I be a geisha?

(Warning bell two)

Me. No, you can’t.

TCI: Why not?

Me: Because you lack certain things, like style, tact, grace—

TCI: Ah, but do I smell?

Me: Well, I dunno, I’ve only stood next to you for about 20 seconds, so I can’t tell if you do or not. But however—

TCI: Well in my experience, girls who stand next to me longer than 20 seconds get a cream pie.

(silence)

Me: I would give you a slap in the face.

TCI: (back away) Really? Would you?

(silence)

(I snap my parasol shut)

TCI: Thanks so much for the interview, bye! (leaves)

The rest of his pathetic crew, hurrying off: (muttering in appeasing tones): Thank you, thank you, thank you very much.”

Another cosplayer talks about her experience with the same group [URL="http://boingboing.net/2013/10/13/camera-crew-creeps-exposed-in.html"]here[/URL]. The disgusting thing is if you go to her Facebook post where she talks about it there are quite a few men and one or two women writing in telling her it was her fault and what happened wasn't really harassment and she is over sensitive. One person even tells her to stop making fuss because what they did might be crude but 'it's not a crime'. Sexual harassment IS a crime, you ****ing cretin.

This phenomenon is known as 'mansplaining', where men explain away other mens behaviour and tell women how they should and shouldn't react to things that happen to them. Most mansplainers will swear they aren't sexist, they are just being 'objective'.

What's The Mansplainer's origin story?

He helps women who don’t understand their own experiences by putting them into an objective, non-biased, gender-free context.

HE IS SUPER-HELPFUL!