A Crash Course in Feminism Mk. II (or, why everyone should be a feminist)

[CoffeeGrunt]

"Women never went to war to earn the right to vote!"

"Isn't that because men banned them?"

"NO NO NO! Squad coherency...uhh, gender roles!"

Thank feminists for pressuring women into returning to work after the immense physical stress of having a baby and the innate desire to want to stay with their baby resulting in increased misery for said mother?

Thank feminism for trying to feminize men and turn them into mothers, while constantly attacking the necessity of fatherhood. [url]http://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2010/07/are-fathers-necessary/308136/[/url] ?

Patriarchy was a deal both men and women entered into to keep population levels up during eras of high mortality. With the advent of feminism comes increased divorce and less children. Causing countries like Japan to face population crisis with the Western world following with aging populations even now with low mortality rates. The idea that it was something men did TO women assumes female hypoagency and helpless victimhood. Which is misogyny of the highest order.

Please cite your sources that women are forced to work after childbirth, and are unanimously saddened by it.

Please cite your sources that prove being a parent to your children is a job solely for mothers. The link provided doesn't state that fathers are unnecessary, but that single-mothers vs married couples involves a lot more extraneous variables than the simple absence of a father figure, (omission of father's income, omission of father's family support, the additional time of having a second partner, as it notes gay and lesbian couples fill both roles well in a typical relationship.) This is debatable and relies on the ever-ineffable concept of what "good parenting" means.

Please note the historical document men and women made this "deal" on to keep the species going. Your cited issue of elderly populations is not an issue of Feminism, it's an issue caused by longer lifespans. We are no longer in an era of high mortality, we are suffering the opposite, and stabilising population levels across the globe will help us in the future immensely.

You say "something men did to women, something something misogyny," but don't cite what you're talking about that is misogynistic. Empirical facts are: men own the majority of positions of power in the world, men dominate the land ownership, and in the lists of the rich. That's misogynistic.

[Gotthammer]

the innate desire to want to stay with their baby

Thank feminism for trying to feminize men and turn them into mothers, while constantly attacking the necessity of fatherhood.

Patriarchy was a deal both men and women entered into to keep population levels up during eras of high mortality. With the advent of feminism comes increased divorce and less children. Causing countries like Japan to face population crisis with the Western world following with aging populations even now with low mortality rates. The idea that it was something men did TO women assumes female hypoagency and helpless victimhood. Which is misogyny of the highest order.

Also in Australia a primary carer gets 18 weeks paid maternity leave automatically, their partner (regardless of gender) automatically gets 2 weeks paid leave, and both are entitled to take an additional 12-24 months unpaid leave with the legal surety of still having their job after. This isn't factoring in any individual workplaces (one of my friends got 8 weeks paid paternity leave while his wife took six months paid then went back to work part time). So yeah.

And as CoffeeGrunt pointed out women have been trying to get the right to serve in the military for basically as long as there has been a modern one. And if voting (which is mandatory in Australia so seen as a responsibility not a right) doesn't count how about women's long struggle to be able to stand as government representatives? I mean surely being, you know, a politician counts as a political responsibility?

[Deadlift]

[url]http://www.bbc.com/news/health-30510651[/url]

The Church of England's first female bishop has said she is "honoured and thankful" to be given the role.
Libby Lane will become the new Bishop of Stockport.
She said she was "excited though not a little daunted" at the prospect of her new role.

Very cool and about time.

*oops, just seen Wolfe posted this previously, still it's good news. I'm not at all religious but for those who are I'm sure you would agree this is good progress.

[Wolfshade]

[url]http://www.bbc.com/news/health-30510651[/url]

The Church of England's first female bishop has said she is "honoured and thankful" to be given the role.
Libby Lane will become the new Bishop of Stockport.
She said she was "excited though not a little daunted" at the prospect of her new role.

Very cool and about time.

*oops, just seen Wolfe posted this previously, still it's good news. I'm not at all religious but for those who are I'm sure you would agree this is good progress.

NINJA'D

zoom!

[TBM]

"Women never went to war to earn the right to vote!"

"Isn't that because men banned them?"

But that would require feminists of that era to ask to be drafted, which never happened. In fact the brittish version, Emmeline Pankhurst and her ilk, used to give white feathers of cowardice to shame men who would not step up and be drafted in WWI. As far as they were concerned, they wanted the vote, and the men could just die.

Please cite your sources that women are forced to work after childbirth, and are unanimously saddened by it.

Pressured =/= Forced, strawman spouter.

I proved by quoting the law in my last post, that the vast majority of paternity leave only comes into effect if the woman surrenders her maternity leave, and it's well known the shorter the maternity leave, the increased risk of depression aka misery.

[url]http://www.medicaldaily.com/shorter-maternity-leave-linked-postpartum-depression-returning-work-after-12-weeks-may-lead-poor[/url]

Please cite your sources that prove being a parent to your children is a job solely for mothers.

I didn't say that. A traditional male provider who isn't the primary nurterer/caregiver is still a parent to his children. That is the role feminism is attacking as unneeded, the masculine role of the secondary caregiver and provider. They want to make men house husbands to prove a point about gender fluidity. The well being of the family itself be damned.

The idea of the authoritative male who leads a household scares feminists as patriarchal. Thus they like the idea of women being the providers, men being the stay at home mothers, and hate the idea of the traditional family roles, thus they seek to characterize such fatherhood as unnecessary. They are trying to reshape society to domesticate and feminize men and thus "liberate" women. This is why they are for one form of fatherhood and against the other.

The link provided doesn't state that fathers are unnecessary,

The bad news for Dad is that despite common perception, there’s nothing objectively essential about his contribution.

^ Unnecessary. They come right out and say it.

Please note the historical document men and women made this "deal" on to keep the species going. Your cited issue of elderly populations is not an issue of Feminism, it's an issue caused by longer lifespans.

Its a issue of declining birth rates. Japan's population is declining by a million people a year because feminism has obliterated their marriage traditions. Men don't know what to do so they don't try anymore. They just support themselves and play video games.

Here is an account from someone who observed the culture first hand: [url]http://pwmog.wordpress.com/2012/10/30/feminism-and-demographic-decline/[/url]

Its not a unique phenomenon, they're just ahead of the curve: [url]http://www.independent.co.uk/voices/the-strange-case-of-falling-birth-rates-in-the-west-1255343.html[/url]

Now imagine how fast the populations would have fallen, if there was no long lifespan. This is why societies were patriarchal and not feminist.

In patriarchy, men sacrifice their energy, their time, and sometimes even their lives for the betterment of women and children, and women give themselves to nurturing children and families.

In feminism, women say they don't need men to do that, so an increasing number of men just don't. They then become unmarriageable to women [url]http://www.huffingtonpost.com/tristan-bridges/where-have-all-the-marria_b_6077814.html[/url] and the men don't want marriage anyway [url]http://www.huffingtonpost.com/helen-smith/8-reasons-men-dont-want-t_b_3467778.html[/url] rate of single mothers rise and all the social ills that statistically go with single parenthood: [url]http://www.washingtonpost.com/local/unmarried-motherhood-increases-sharply/2013/05/01/ef77c4ba-b26e-11e2-9a98-4be1688d7d84_story.html[/url] Economic crisis for said mothers follows:[url]http://thinkprogress.org/economy/2013/03/18/1722171/why-single-mothers-are-in-economic-crisis-and-what-can-be-done-about-it/[/url] Increasing reliance social support investment follows that, government takes their cut and grows larger to deal with it, but as men aren't working to support families anymore, the money just isnt there economic pressure and enormous debt follows.

Empirical facts are: men own the majority of positions of power in the world,

In terms of political power, women are the majority voters, so anyone there is because women want them to be there.

In terms of corporations, it's illegal for companies to discriminate based on gender, so the law isn't sexist. Before calling "misogyny" one must first answer if there are more men who are willing to make their career their entire lives than women.

You say "something men did to women, something something misogyny,"

Proposing the idea that men were even able to subjugate women against their will historically for many thousands of years, assumes female weakness, helplessness, and passivity, which makes feminists the biggest misogynists. And this misogyny is the root cause of the feminist tendency to blame the patriarchy for every ill. The idea that women cannot truly act, but only be acted upon and react. I don't believe that. So I'm not a feminist.

[Mr Mystery]

Well, looks like this is about to get fun....

[40kGamer]

Well, looks like this is about to get fun....

Have any popcorn?

[Mr Mystery]

Not as such.....but I have the constitutent parts to make popcorn....

[40kGamer]

Not as such.....but I have the constitutent parts to make popcorn....

Cheers!

[Wolfshade]

Not as such.....but I have the constitutent parts to make popcorn....

Isn't that what this is about