Space Marines Rumor Roundup

[Xarga]

Yeah that is about right and sucks balls if you want to play Chaos Marines. There is no way that craptastic boon chart makes up for 3 special rules the loyalists have for that one point Codex Marines are many times better than Chaos ones. It is simply poor design turning the bad marines into lousy "Bond Villains" that are meant to lose.

Oh yeah i agree with you, to be quite frank i don't get why chaos don't have ATSKNF anyway.

They made Dark Reapers relentless. Relentless devestators is a lot scarier though.

Depends how the Devs are equipped i suppose. Though Dark Reapers are slow & purposefull, but still plenty scary to TEQ with 48" S5 AP3 guns.

[HsojVvad]

Yeah that is about right and sucks balls if you want to play Chaos Marines. There is no way that craptastic boon chart makes up for 3 special rules the loyalists have for that one point Codex Marines are many times better than Chaos ones. It is simply poor design turning the bad marines into lousy "Bond Villains" that are meant to lose.

Yes it is poor design. There is nothing we can do about it so no use getting upset over it. This is not directed at you but for other players who do get upset over it. It's a game. We know its not a balanced list. It could be worse. You could play tyranids and not get allies and use emplaned weapons like every one else can. Many units or armies codex get shafted. At least you don't have a pyro ore ;p. It could be worse for many players.

Enjoy the game and make the best of it. No use crying/complaint what you can't control.

[CrAzY424]

Here's a cleaned up version for clarity.

via [URL="http://40kwarzone.blogspot.com.au/2013/08/breaking-space-marine-new-rules-3.html"]40KWarzone[/URL] 8-12-2013

Wow, great job on the summary mate.

Even more stuff coming in from 40k Radio:

[url]http://40kwarzone.blogspot.com.au/2013/08/space-marines-new-rules-4-more.html[/url]

[Rev. Tiberius Jackhammer]

Oh yeah i agree with you, to be quite frank i don't get why chaos don't have ATSKNF anyway.

Personally, I like how they don't have ATSKNF. They're not cowards, but they're not going to take insane risks for their leader's schemes. Chaos Marines are sensible, Imperial Marines are brainwashed :P

Personally, I think the Chaos Marine troops would be balanced against the new Tactical Marines if they went back to having Bolter/Bolt Pistol/CCW. Somewhat biased on that one, since I find having to make that decision/decide whether or not the variety of small knives, secondary pistols and bayonets I have on my guys as a purchased CCW is annoying :P

[daggitkiller]

^This. I think it would be characterful too that they just walk around with an arsenal, not standard issue/bound by the quarter master. They get the job done....

and the modelling would be fun.

[Big Jim]

Yes it is poor design. There is nothing we can do about it so no use getting upset over it. This is not directed at you but for other players who do get upset over it. It's a game. We know its not a balanced list. It could be worse. You could play tyranids and not get allies and use emplaned weapons like every one else can. Many units or armies codex get shafted. At least you don't have a pyro ore ;p. It could be worse for many players.

Enjoy the game and make the best of it. No use crying/complaint what you can't control.

I am over griping about it and have moved onto playing Counts As with my Chaos models. You are correct make the best out of the situation and play games!

[phreakachu]

POST NUMBER 800 y'all!

the thing that bothers me about the codex CSM is that stupid "we have to issue challenges" rule which makes close combat a lot more predictable for the opponent.

agreed. gone are the halcyon days of Kharn dancing merrily through a whole unit all by himself. laughing with the innocent glee of a schoolgirl. now the opposing character has the option of biting the bullet and getting cutto ribbons, slowing good old Kharn down for a turn.
I think the champions rule was poorly thought out. if GW had left it as an option it would be a little friendlier. and truthfully, the only models i WANT to turn into a DP are my Aspiring Champs: only Abbadon is immune to suddenly turning into the biggest target on the board.

[eldargal]

Can we not be discussing Chaos Space Marines in the Space Marine rumours thread please.

[daboarder]

We're bitter enemies, with untold millennium of grudges over our treatment at the hands of the dark gods, of course we act jealous and vindictive.

and we also play chaos marines so its fluffy!

[kire]

Please remember that these are still "rumours" until the codex is actually released.
Via 40k Radio:

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Nothing special for Black Templars, you just get the full access to the codex. So you get Vanguard, Sternguard, Centurion and so on. You have the ability to put multiple power weapons in crusader squads. One is a non-character which can not be challenged. You get to hide a power weapon.

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EC can only be taken by BT and they're a HQ choice. [CrAzY424 - Obvious I would have thought].

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(Assualt Drills) S9 AP2 Melee, Specialist Weapon, armorbane.

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Castellans are gone. Vet Sgts are Sword Brothers.

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(Black Templar relics??) The relics consist of two swords, one bolter, set of armor, one storm shield and one banner.

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One set of Warlord traits for all chapters.

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Telion is the same points and all updated with sniper rules for 6th.

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Chronus is cheaper but still not worth it. Just increases the BS by 1

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CM has A4 and W4 and access to honor guard as command squad.

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Storm Raven stayed 200 points.

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Drop Pod back to (Capacity) 10.

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(Changes to Heroic Intervention) They do not get the penalty for disordered charge and Sgt auto passes initiative check for Glorious Intervention.

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(New AA-Tanks) AV 12 12 10 and no interceptor, I repeat no interceptor.

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Nice! Some of it may be repeats but It's all looking pretty awesome.

If these are true the new AA tank went from must have to hydra in a single line.