Space Marines Rumor Roundup

[Tyrendian]

that Tigurius seems way over the top - I don't believe a word of that... I mean think about it... if you could design the most powerful special rules for a psyker you can think of, my list would pretty much look exactly like that...

[Psychosplodge]

Isn't that Ulthawe bloke supposed to be the most powerful living psyker?

[eldargal]

Isn't that Ulthawe bloke supposed to be the most powerful living psyker?

Yep, hence the grumbling.

[Deadlift]

Yep, hence the grumbling.

Lets move it back actual Space Marine talk then instead of comparisons.

What traits are Iron Hands getting ? We've seen the others mentioned but not these guys.

[The Emperor's Champion]

And this, ladies and mentlegen, is how I tried to burn off my Adderall in an attempt to finally go to sleep....(obviously not actually working)
Every last scrap of info that I could gather, sorted, figured out, formatted, and rewritten for easier comprehension.
It took me like an hour and a half to type all of this up for the B&C, and I figured you guys over here might like it too....

Apologies for any weird stray bits of code. I cleaned it up like crazy, but the B&C's forum code apparently isn't completely compatible with BoLS's. *shrug*
Here's my original nice clean version of it: [URL="http://www.bolterandchainsword.com/topic/278011-new-codex-space-marines-rumor/?p=3420390"]LINK[/URL]


_{Credit to 40k Radio for tons of this info.}

BIG GIANT COMPILATION POST[Mk I]

WARGEAR:
CHAPTER RELICS:

• There are 6 different ones.
• Two swords, one Bolter, set of armor, one Storm Shield and one banner
• They range from 25pts to 65pts.
• One Chapter Relic grants a 6+ Invulnerable Save. (It's unclear who benefits from the Save generated by the Relic)

NEW WEAPONS:

• Graviton weapons - Have the*Concussive special rule, but are not Blast weapons.
• Hunter Multi-Launcher (or whatever it is now called) -*S:7 AP:2 Heavy1, Armorbane
• Stalker's anti-aircraft guns - S:7 AP:? Heavy4
• Siege Drills - S:9 AP:2 Melee, Specialist Weapon, Armorbane

CHAPTER TRAITS & SPECIAL CHARACTERS:
ULTRAMARINES CHAPTER TRAITS:

• Ultramarines armies may choose 1 of the following three doctrines:
  
  • Tactical -*The Tactical detachment re-rolls ones, unless they're Tactical Marines, in which case they re-roll all failed To Hit rolls in the Shooting Phase.
  • Assault -*The Assault detachment re-rolls charge ranges, unless they're Assault Squads, Bikes, or Attack Bikes, in which case they get Fleet.
  • Devastator - The Devastator detachment get re-rolls on Snap Shots and Overwatch shots, unless they're Devastators, in which case they gain Relentless (as long as they're not disembarking from a transport in the Movement Phase).
  
  [/*]

MARNEUS CALGAR:

• Is now 275pts
• Is equipped with Artificer Armour by default. May upgrade to the Armour Of Antilochus for +10pts.
• Marneus Calgar can take three Warlord traits.
• The Armour Of Antilochus - his Terminator Armor - does not prevent him from preforming a Sweeping Advance, and it has a built in Teleport Homer.

VARRO TIGURIUS:

• Tigurius is Mastery Level 3.
• He*knows all Psychic Disciplines.
• He can re-roll his dice when determining his psychic powers.
• He can re-roll Reserves rolls(even successful ones).
• The Hood Of Hellfire is now a Psychic Hood that lets him re-roll failed Psychic Tests.

ORTAN CASSIUS:

• 5 points more expensive.

CATO SICARIUS:

• 15 points cheaper.

TORIAS TELION:

• Telion has the same points cost.
• ​Updated with sniper rules for 6th Edition.

ANTARO CHRONUS:

• Chronus is cheaper.
• He increases the BS of his tank by +1.

*
*
SALAMANDER CHAPTER TRAITS:

• Get to re-roll any failed Armor Saves from flame based weapons.*^{(Flamers, Meltas, etc, as per page 56 of the Rulebook)}
• Their flame weapons*^{(Flamers, Meltas, etc, as per page 56 of the Rulebook)}*get to re-roll any failed To-Wound rolls or Armor Penetration rolls that fail to cause a Penetrating or Glancing Hit.
• Any Character gets to Mastercraft one weapon for free.

VULKAN HE'STAN:

• Vulkan gives the Mastercrafted ability to Meltaguns, Combi-Meltas, and Multi-Meltas.
• Otherwise essentially the same.

*
*
RAVEN GUARD CHAPTER TRAITS:

• They all get the Stealth USR.
• They get the ability to use their Jump Packs in the Movement and Assault Phase.

KAYVAAN SHRIKE:

• Shrike can only Infiltrate with Jump Infantry.
• ????

*
*
WHITE SCARS CHAPTER TRAITS:

• +1 to Jink saves
• Autopass Dangerous Terrain tests
• +1 to Hammer Of Wrath attacks
• All White Scars units gain the Hit & Run USR, except for Terminators and Centurions.

KOR'SARRO KAHN:

• Khan gives Bikes and Dedicated Transports in the White Scars detachment the Scout USR.
• Moondraken inflicts D3 Hammer Of Wrath hits.

*
*
IMPERIAL FISTS CHAPTER TRAITS:

• Bolter Drill - All Imperial Fists reroll '1s' to hit with standard Bolters.
• Devastators*and Centurions have the*Tank Hunters*USR and gain +1 on the Building Damage Table.

DARNATH LYSANDER:

• Costs +30pts more
• Has the Eternal Warrior USR.
• Units within 12" re-roll failed Morale and Pinning Tests.

PEDRO KANTOR:

• Pedro Kantor makes Sternguard Veteran Squads into Scoring units.

*
*
IRON HANDS CHAPTER TRAITS:

• All Iron Hands have the Feel No Pain USR on a 6+.
• All Characters and vehicles have the It Will Not Die USR.
• Iron Hands get a 1+ to Blessing Of The Omnissiah

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*
BLACK TEMPLARS CHAPTER TRAITS:

• A Black Templars army may choose one of the following:
  
  • "Accept any Challenge, No Matter what the Odds" -*Gain the ability to re-roll To-Hits rolls, and gain the Rending USR when you're in challenges.
  • "Crusaders" - Gain the*Adamantium Will and Crusader USR's.
  
  
• The Black Templars retain their current Ally Matrix.
• The Black Templars may not take Librarians.
• Black Templars may take Crusader Squads consisting of up to 10 Initiates (i.e. Tactical Marines) and up to 10 Neophytes (i.e. Scouts).
• Black Templar Initiates may exchange their Bolters for Close Combat Weapons for free.
• A Crusader Squad may purchase up to 2 Power Weapons, if you take a Sword Brother (i.e. the Veteran Sergeant upgrade).

HELBRECHT:

• Once per game Helbrect can grant a Black Templars unit the Hatred and Fleet USR's for an Assault Phase.
• May take a unit of Honor Guard.

GRIMAULDUS:

• Grants the Zealot USR to any unit he joins.
• If a unit is within 6" of Grimauldus' Servitors, they gain a 6+ Invulnerable Save.
• Grimauldus has the*It will not Die*USR.
• He has Wounds:3 and Attacks:3

THE EMPEROR'S CHAMPION:

• The Black Sword (one-handed stance) - S:4 AP:2 Melee, Mastercrafted
• The Black Sword (two-handed stance) - S:6 AP:2 Melee, Mastercrafted, Two-Handed
• The Armour Of Faith - Grants The Emperor's Champion a 2+ Armor Save and a 4+ Invulnerable Save.
• The Emperor's Champion is an HQ choice and DOES take up an HQ slot.
• He may be the Warlord.
• The Emperor's Champion has Initiative:5 and Attacks:2 (not counting weapons).

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*
HQ UNITS:
*
CHAPTER MASTER:

• Now has Attacks:4 and Wounds:4.
• Still has Orbital Bombardment.

CAPTAIN:

• Equipping the Captain with a Bike allows a single 5-man Bike Squad to be taken as a Troops choice.

CHAPLAIN:

• There is only one level of Chaplain.
• Now has Attacks:2 and Wounds:2.
• Chaplain grants Zealot to any squad he joins.

LIBRARIAN:

• ?

MASTER OF THE FORGE:

• Now has the*It Will Not Die USR.

HONOR GUARD:

• Cheaper.

COMMAND SQUADS:

• Can have Bikes
• Cannot have Jump Packs
• Cannot have Terminator Armor

ELITES UNITS:
*
STERNGUARD VETERANS:

• 3 points cheaper per Marine.
• Access to Graviton weapons.

TACTICAL TERMINATORS/ASSAULT TERMINATORS:

• Thunderhammers & Stormshields cost +5pts per Assault Terminator to upgrade.
• There is no way to make Terminators into Troops choices or Scoring units.

TECHMARINES:

• No news to report.

ASSAULT CENTURIONS:
WS:4 BS:4*S:5*T:5*W:2*I:4*Ld:8/9*Sv:2+*InvSv: -
*
Unit Size: 3 - 190pts
- May purchase up to 3 additional Centurions for 60pts each
*
Standard equipment:
- Siege Drills (S9 AP2 Melee, Specialist Weapon, Armorbane)
- Twin-Linked Flamers
- Ironclad Assault Launcher
*
Weapon Upgrades: *(ALL UPGRADES COST BETWEEN 10-20pts)
- Twin-Linked Flamers may be upgraded to Twin-Linked Meltaguns
- Ironclad Assault Launcher may be upgraded to Hurricane Bolters
*
Upgrades: (ALL UPGRADES COST BETWEEN 10-20pts)
- Can purchase Omniscope which gives Night Fight and Split Fire special rules.
*
Dedicated Transport:
- They can select a Land Raider as a dedicated transport.
*
Special Rules:
- Move Through Cover
- Slow and Purposeful
- Decimator Protocols(Can fire up to two weapons in each shooting phase)
- Very Bulky
- Chapter Tactics
- And They Shall Know No Fear
*
DREADNOUGHT:

• No news to report.

VENERABLE DREADNOUGHT:

• No news to report.

IRONCLAD DREADNOUGHT:

• No news to report.

TROOPS UNITS:

TACTICAL SQUADS:

• 2 points cheaper per Marine (14pts each).
• Access to a Graviton Rifle as a Special Weapon option.

SCOUT SQUADS:

• 2 points cheaper per Scout.
• May take Land Speeder Storms as Dedicated Transports.

FAST ATTACK UNITS:
*
VANGUARD VETERANS:

• Heroic Intervention:*Negates the penalty for Disordered Charge and the Sergeant auto-passes Initiative checks for Glorious Intervention.
• They CANNOT charge after Deep Striking anymore.
• 1 point cheaper per Marine.[/*]
• Jump Pack upgrade is 7 points cheaper per Marine.

BIKE SQUADS:

• 4 points cheaper per Marine.

ATTACK BIKES:

• Possibly 4 points cheaper.

SCOUT BIKES:

• No news to report.

HEAVY SUPPORT UNITS:
*
DEVASTATOR SQUADS:

• 2 points cheaper per Marine.

DEVASTATOR CENTURIONS:
WS:4 BS:4*S:5*T:5*W:2*I:4*Ld:8/9*Sv:2+*InvSv: -
*
Unit Size: 3 - 190pts
- May purchase up to 3 additional Centurions for 60pts each
*
Standard equipment:
- Twin-linked Heavy Bolters and Hurricane Bolters
*
Weapon Upgrades: (ALL UPGRADES COST BETWEEN 10-20pts)
- Hurricane Bolters can be upgraded to Missile Launchers
- Twin-Linked Heavy Bolters may be upgraded to Twin-Linked Lascannons
- Twin-Linked Heavy Bolters may be upgraded to Grav-cannon and Grav-amp
*
Upgrades: (ALL UPGRADES COST BETWEEN 10-20pts)
- Can purchase Omniscope which gives Night Fight and Split Fire special rules.
*
Dedicated Transport:
- They can select a Land Raider as a dedicated transport.
*
Special Rules:
- Slow and Purposeful
- Decimator Protocols(Can fire up to two weapons in each shooting phase)
- Very Bulky
- Chapter Tactics
- And They Shall Know No Fear
*
THUNDERFIRE CANNONS:

• Unchanged in rules and points cost.

VEHICLES:
*
RHINOS/RAZORBACKS:

• No news to report.

DROP PODS:

• Transport capacity has dropped back down to 10.

STORMRAVEN:

• Same point cost.

STORMTALON:

• No news to report.

LAND SPEEDER/LAND SPEEDER TORNADO/LAND SPEEDER TYPHOON:

• No news to report.

LAND SPEEDER STORM:

• The Land Speeder Storm is now a Dedicated Transport for Scouts.

PREDATOR DESTRUCTOR/ANNIHILATOR:

• Cheaper.

VINDICATOR SIEGE TANK:

• No news to report.

WHIRLWIND ARTILLERY TANK:

• No news to report.

STALKER ANTI-AIR TANK:

• AV 12/12/10
• S:7 AP:? Heavy4
• Does NOT have Interceptor.

HUNTER*ANTI-AIR TANK:

• AV 12/12/10
• S:7 AP:2 Heavy1, Armorbane
• Does NOT have*Interceptor.

LAND RAIDER:

• Passenger Capacity - 10

LAND RAIDER REDEEMER:

• Passenger Capacity - 12

LAND RAIDER CRUSADER:

• ​Passenger Capacity - 16

[daboarder]

sigh,

because f*ck Chaos.....

sigh

edit: I should just sig that ^

[Guidebot]

A very big thank you very much, Emperors champion. A positive drug experience for all =).

[energongoodie]

What traits are Iron Hands getting ? We've seen the others mentioned but not these guys.

Hell Yeah.

I'm thinking FNP 6+ to represent the old bionics is probably right. As for the second, I don't know.
They might go back to the terminator sarges but I don't think so.
I'm sure it will be a USR or a modification to a USR.
I'd love a toughness increase or if I'm super mega wishlisting then an Iron Hands character that's double hard and makes dreadnoughts scoring troops

[daboarder]

Hell Yeah.

I'm thinking FNP 6+ to represent the old bionics is probably right. As for the second, I don't know.
They might go back to the terminator sarges but I don't think so.
I'm sure it will be a USR or a modification to a USR.
I'd love a toughness increase or if I'm super mega wishlisting then an Iron Hands character that's double hard and makes dreadnoughts scoring troops

Do people read?

IH have 6+ FNP and characters and vehicles have IWND

[The Imperial Fist]

Am going to wait until seeing a Codex before believing some of these rules. Especially as it seems like the smurf's Tactical rule says FU to the Fist's Bolter Drill.

Not sure I like BT having Sword Brethren leaders in squads. BT squads are not supposed to have leaders in, they are supposed to be groups that choose to fight together out of brotherhood. Or at least that was the fluff in the last codex. But guess they need to or there'd be no challenges.