Tyranids Rumor Roundup

[DarkLink]

Sisters aren't horrible, they just don't have a real codex. IG is the codex that probably needs the fewest updates regarding Flyers next to Necrons (unless you want to nerf their Flyers, which is something they both need), and benefited greatly from 6th's changes. It's a good thing not many people play truly nasty IG, because they can be extremely ugly. Orks are solid, especially now that Nob Bikerz are T5. Nidz aren't bad, but they're not great. Unless they roll up good psychic powers. Nidz and Daemons are both stupidly good if you get the right combo of psychic powers and roll well for them.

[doogansquest]

I would be shocked if Nids were the next codex... right now, they are highly competitive, and several need the update more. Sisters of Battle do, but their book was after Nids. Orks though? A very, very dated army that just isn't good anymore... IG and Space Wolves are also older than Nids, as are Black Templars. Even if Templars are folded into a supplement for SM, as many suspect, then Orks should be after Marines.

Who's old and/or competitive is rarely an indicator of what needs to be done. For one, Tyranids really aren't showing up that well in tournaments right now; better than in late 5th, for sure, but they are still too easy to take apart. Once you realize blowing up a Tervigon wrecks the swarm entirely, you can usually disable 'nids by turn 2-3. I've experienced both ends of that, and it's kind of an autopilot thing now.

Hive Tyrants are okay, but about 25-40 points too expensive. They rely heavily on getting good psychic rolls, but without their own table or Warlord Traits, they are pretty blah. Hive Tyrants and the Carnifex also need more clearly defined roles, instead of both just presenting outlets for Brainleech goodness. Genestealers are completely useless at their current price, as are Trygons, and the Carnifex is only played because people desperately need the extra S6 shots. Also, is there a book with more self-defeating units? Pyrovore? Biovore? Lictors? The Tyrannofex is about 30-45 points too high. No models for the Special Characters, the Mycetic Spore, the Harpy (which is terrible rules-wise anyway) and a ton of single pack models that make their Force Organization awkward. A swarm supported by monsters has too many 1-3 choices that are $25-$30 apiece and rather awful on the battlefield. The Warriors need new models (as many of the options are just missing, and/or leftovers from 3rd edition) and rules. I actually can't think of a book with more useless units in it than Codex Tyranids. Which units are good is an irrelevant factor if there's only 3-4 worth playing.

Tyranids need to be thematically redone, and a part of how GW approaches which codex "needs" it is based on artistic inspiration. Also, I don't think any faction got nailed as hard as they did in 5th, and the so-called "boost" is negligible.

The funny part about the Sisters comments is, they make for ridiculously powerful Allies. Tons of firepower, invulns everywhere, but nobody knows how to play with or against them because the internet said Sisters were bad without giving them a shot.

As far as getting all upset over Tyranids receiving something before Orks: with the current release clip, I doubt there will be much of a wait. In fact, it's likely both books are already completed.

To the uber monstrous creature: it could be a completely new take on a commander/highly psychic entity. If it's a Dominatrix type, they may just make it like a super-sized tyrant. I don't personally dig that idea, and I could be totally wrong. We may just get the token flyer, as the Tervigon/Tyrannofex kit is already quite massive. If recent release trends are any indicator, 1 monster, 1 flyer, 1 redone infantry, 1 new infantry, some clampacks.

[Wildeybeast]

But I agree on having no idea how GW would handle the base...

Make a bigger base?

[Arkhan Land]

is the harridan being out of stock just that or am i being paranoid? would be less surprised by forge world relinquishing models to gw than to see brand new models tested but the dominatrix idea has sounded cool for a sec albeit apparently a nerfed much smaller version of what the epic scale on is, I remember when nid scenery and a few other upgrades went out of stock there were people who tried to pool (at the time we didnt have the word kickstart) to get them redone or to find out info and the response was a loud and clear No and never again due to finances

[jifel]

Ok, fair enough the Nids codex is so mono-build its a little sad, but I still think that there are at least three codexs that need it more. Sisters, Orks, and Templars.

[Emerald Rose Widow]

Ok, fair enough the Nids codex is so mono-build its a little sad, but I still think that there are at least three codexs that need it more. Sisters, Orks, and Templars.

Templars will likely just end up a codex supplement of the vanilla marines, there havent been rumours about them in a long time.

Orks could use new models, but as far as how strong the codex is, Orks are still regularly ending up at the top of the meta competitively. Sure it would be awesome, but they don't need it per se, though I would be happy to see new ork models.

Sisters deserve a real codex though, cant wait for the day to see them, lots of plastic love is what they need.

[doogansquest]

I would totally love a full-fledged codex for Sisters, but they will need a thematic, logistical, and marketing overhaul (a la Dark Eldar and Necrons). I would rather they are done right than done quickly. That said, this is a thread about Tyranids, not Sisters.

I suspect Shadow in the Warp will get a nerf. Before people rage at that comment, consider how much of a boost every army has seen in their transition to a 6th edition hardback. Along those lines of thinking, the Tyranids will get plenty of upgrades elsewhere, and SitW may just be altered more so than a direct nerf. It will just function...differently. Psychic powers are becoming far too interesting to allow any army to just say "no" once it gets close. Psychic hoods were changed because of it, so was Runes of Warding. Shadow will change, and Rune Staff will change. I absolutely promise you that. Psychic powers are a lot of fun in this edition, while also fairly controlled, and not so mind-blowingly over-powered like Purple Sun in WHFB that there's no reason to have such strong denial.

Rumors I've heard include a points drop for Genestealers and potentially a better delivery system; more akin to the way they could do things the turn they arrived in previous editions. Same for Lictors, though they've never been done right. Raveners and Trygons became awful with the changes to Fleet. They are no longer technically any faster than any other unit, as they can't move + run + assault. They just die before they hit home. Either they will come down in points, or become slightly more resilient.

For the release, expect 3-4 clampacks, 2 new plastic infantry kits (one of which will be an update to an older kit), a new huge kit in the $85-$115 range, and the Tervigon/Tyrannofex kit will go up in price. At $57.75, it's practically a steal right now, comparatively speaking. A Hive Fleet specific supplement to follow.

Ok, fair enough the Nids codex is so mono-build its a little sad, but I still think that there are at least three codexs that need it more. Sisters, Orks, and Templars.

Orks definitely don't need it more. It's still a very strong codex with a plethora of builds. Besides, they aren't far behind the Tyranids on the release order.

Sisters don't "need" it more, simply because there has NEVER been a demand for them. Never. And "need" is a term defined both by the supplier and the consumer. As I said above, I want a new one, but it will need to be done right. There's no way a fully-fledged codex comparable to what else is out there could be done in short order while doing the Sisters justice. Not at the current release clip GW has been maintaining. They will need massive waves of releases, like the Necrons and Dark Eldar experienced. Expect GW to get all the other books up-to-date, so we are down to mostly supplements and Apocalypse thingies, and then a bombastic Sisters release. Even then, it will still be a massive risk because they have just never sold well. They need more to differentiate them from the other Imperial armies besides breast shaped armor plates. This is a massive undertaking, and they would probably have to put everything else on hold while they focus on them. That would be a terrible decision for the game, for their finances, and for the player base.

Black Templars were sort of a pet project that never quite took off. They may get a new one; just remember that they aren't a first-founding chapter, thus limiting their justification. Don't be surprised if Imperial Fists get a codex with BT's added as a supplement...

[daboarder]

Sisters don't "need" it more, simply because there has NEVER been a demand for them. Never. And "need" is a term defined both by the supplier and the consumer. As I said above, I want a new one, but it will need to be done right. There's no way a fully-fledged codex comparable to what else is out there could be done in short order while doing the Sisters justice. Not at the current release clip GW has been maintaining. They will need massive waves of releases, like the Necrons and Dark Eldar experienced. Expect GW to get all the other books up-to-date, so we are down to mostly supplements and Apocalypse thingies, and then a bombastic Sisters release. Even then, it will still be a massive risk because they have just never sold well. They need more to differentiate them from the other Imperial armies besides breast shaped armor plates. This is a massive undertaking, and they would probably have to put everything else on hold while they focus on them. That would be a terrible decision for the game, for their finances, and for the player base.

firstly, there has ALWAYS been a HUGE demand for sisters, they've just never had the support from GW to get up and run.

secondly, a sisters release would be no more intensive than the DE/ Necron releases were. And while they we're huge they by no means resulted in a halt in other work.

[Learn2Eel]

If Sisters actually got redone and had a proper codex with plastic updates to all their models I would jump on them in a heartbeat. As it is, I just get the feeling GW doesn't care about them. You would hope that they aren't silly enough not to realize that the real reason Sisters don't sell well is the lack of support.

[Emerald Rose Widow]

I am especially looking forward to seeing the kit they make for the FMC's, the harpy for example, or whatever big one they make