Nikea Question

[Cpt Codpiece]

the primarchs were told of the warp entities, but they were told they were nothing more than elemental beings.

the HH fluff paints the emperor as a bit of a douche when it comes to the warp, "there is nothing in the warp but nasty thoughts" kind of dogma.
and his own douchebaggery caused the heresy, not through his treatment of horus but his most devoted son (no spoilers from me today)
if he had of come out and told the 20 what he knew, then the 9 that fell may well not have fallen at all, and the 2 that were purged may well not have needed it.
however if the primarchs were told would they have carried on doing the emperors will knowing their fate.......
only horus was told of his ultimate fate, had magnus been told of his imprisonment in the golden throne would he have went willingly?

[The Last Lamenter]

Thanks for responding. This is great information. I understand the distinction now.

[Nabterayl]

As far as I know you don't even need to be a psyker to be a sorcerer, although it certainly helps.

[Katharon]

The process was started when Leman Russ and the Space Wolves were fighting alongside the Thousand Sons and the Word Bearers on the world of Shrike. The Thousand Sons had suffered from a high mutancy rate due to their psyker genes being more prevalent than any other legion -- and though Magnus had been able to remove that threat of his entire legion become mutated by delving into the warp and cutting a deal with a powerful warp entity (most likely Tzeentch himself or one of Tzeentch's greatest daemons) in order to halt the process. During the battle for Shrike, one of the Thousand Sons psykers lost control of himself and overloaded on warp power, causing a sudden and fierce corruption of the flesh.

This mutant surprise combined with the way in which the Thousand Sons unleashed their psykic powers caused Leman Russ to request that the Emperor censure Magnus. Other Primarchs were equally worried about the way in which the Thousand Sons employed their psykic powers -- Mortarion in particular was an avid opponent to their use as a weapon.

With several primarchs speaking out the Emperor had no choice but to bring the issue to a debate/hearing; and as such the world of Nikea was chosen as the sight for it. And we all know what happened next...

The different between the Thousand Sons and the Space Wolves is that they have different avenues by which they travel to reach for and use psykic power. The Thousand Sons use the Enumerations - a meditative process that was designed by Magnus to focus the mind and psykic self - by which they can then produce a variety of powers for use (they also have minor warp entities that act as "spirit guides"). The Space Wolves on the other hand have psykic powers wrapped in ritual and runes, based on the Fenrisian culture -- they do not *exploit* psykic power like the Thousand Sons do and theirs is much more elemental; kind of in tune with the natural forces around them. Hence the Space Wolves would see the Thousand Sons attempts at dominating psykic power for brute force as being unnatural and dangerous, whereas the Thousand Sons would view the Space Wolves runes and elemental powers as quaint and backwards.

The Death Guard never made us of Librarians. Mortarion made a point of having any psykic candidates that might try to become an aspirant of the Death Guard sent to the Black Ships.