New Apoc Terrain/Fortifications Rules - Questions

[Bigred]

This one has been running under the radar, but it may have a big impact on the game.

The New Fortifications
The new fortifications (Firestorm Redoubt, etc...) sets come with thier rules in the box!
This is a BIG DEAL, as like Privateer Press and others do - it allows the immediate insertion of a new product into the gamesystem without a new book required. It's practically revolutionary for GW.

40k vs Apoc Rulesets
The Firestorm and the Vengeance are standard fortifications and use the standard 'fortification icon' to mark their rules. So it looks like they are now in the mix for the game, alongside all the other items such as the Aegis, Bastion, Skyshield.

The Aquila has a weird "orange glowy" icon to mark it's rules, which I bet is an Apocalypse only marker. If it has a standard set of 40K fortification rules, I haven't seen them.



Aquilla Strongpoint
Classification: Massive fortifications (Medium building w/battlements + Large building w/battlements) [APOCALYPSE UNIT]
Cost: 2 Land Raiders & a Rhino
AV:15
Access Points: Per model
Fire Points: Per model
Rules: Macro Cannon, or Vortex Missile Battery
Macro cannon:
-Macro Shell: 72" S: D AP:1 Primary weapon 2, Large Blast
-Quake Shell: 180" S: 10/7/5 AP:1/4/6 Primary weapon 1, Apocalypse Mega-blast, Sonic-boom
Sonic boom: (simplified: draw a line from the cannon to the center of the template, any flyers, flying monstrous creatures, gargantuan flying gargantuans on the line roll a d6, crash and burn on a 1)
OR
Vortex Missile Battery:
-Vortex Missile: Infinite range, S: D AP:1 Ordinance 1, Large blast, Vortex



Firestorm Redoubt
Classification: Medium bunker [STANDARD FORTIFICATION]
Cost: 2x Thunderfire Cannons
AV: 14
Access Points: As modeled (3)
Fire Points: 1
Rules: Medium sized Bunker, and two quad lascanons. The quad lascanons are 2 shot linked Icarus lascanons. They are able to independently fire and are not target-able separate from the redoubt, however they are always fired automatically, (BS:2 CANNOT be manned) however they automatically fire at the closest flying monstrous creature or flier if one is available.



Vengeance Weapons Battery
Classification: Impassable Building [STANDARD FORTIFICATION]
Cost: 1 Space Marine Scout Squad
AV: 14
Access Points: 0
Fire Points: 0
Weapon: Punisher Gatling Cannon (24" S5 Ap- Heavy 20)
Rules: Automated Fire without being occupied.
Options:
-Add another Battery for same cost as first
-Upgrade Gatling Cannon to Battle Cannon for cost of 1 Ratling sniper

Hop to it folks! Let's start to analyze those new units to see if they are worth it compared to the older ones, especially in standard games.

[dawnofthedead]

Talk to GW rep and he said there will be two sets of rules. One for Appoc and one for regular 40k.

[volrath8754]

Ok happy to help. I picked up my firestorm redoubt yesterday.

Firestorm Redoubt
Classification: Medium bunker
Cost: Not sure if a number is A ok so well just say its equivalent to 20x IG ratlings.
AV: 14
Rules: Medium sized Bunker with one fire-point, one access point, and two quad lascanons. The quad lascanons are 2 shot linked Icarus lascanons. They are able to independently fire and are not target-able separate from the redoubt, however they are always fired automatically, (bs 2 can't be maned) however they do fire at the closest monstrous creature or flier if one is available.

[MajorWesJanson]

Ok happy to help. I picked up my firestorm redoubt yesterday.

Firestorm Redoubt
Classification: Medium bunker
Cost: Not sure if a number is A ok so well just say its equivalent to 20x IG ratlings.
AV: 14
Rules: Medium sized Bunker with one fire-point, one access point, and two quad lascanons. The quad lascanons are 2 shot linked Icarus lascanons. They are able to independently fire and are not target-able separate from the redoubt, however they are always fired automatically, (bs 2 can't be maned) however they do fire at the closest monstrous creature or flier if one is available.

*Flying Monstrous Creature

1 access point? It has 3 doors!

[Bigred]

Clearly two of those doors are cunning decoys to thwart would-be attackers

Berzerker charger into base contact...

*tug-tug-tug*

"This door is just painted on - NOOOOO!!!"

BLAM!!!

[volrath8754]

*Flying Monstrous Creature

1 access point? It has 3 doors!

My bad you are correct it does state flying monstrous creature and access points as model.

[Mr Mystery]

J

Clearly two of those doors are cunning decoys to thwart would-be attackers

As originally devised by Magos Wile E Coyote?

[Bigred]

Firestorm summary fixed...

Anyone picked up a Vengeance or Aquila?

[Billyjoeray]

Vengeance Weapon Battery

Cost: 1 Space Marine Scout Squad
AV: 14
Weapon: Punisher Gatling Cannon (24" S5 Ap- Heavy 20)
No Access Points
No Fire Points
Automated Fire without being occupied
Options:
Add another for same cost as first
Upgrade Gatling Cannon to Battle Cannon for cost of 1 Ratling sniper

[Bigred]

Billyjoeray - THANK YOU SIR!!!

Come on folks, we are just down to the Aquila now. I'm sure someone can take a quick peek at just the rules...