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    He seems like an utter knob head and shouldn't have been on the pavement. However, I hardly think he can be considered representative of all cyclists.
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    They all think its OK to go on the pavement.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Denzark View Post
    They all think its OK to go on the pavement.
    Yes they all do. Wait, no they don't, fun fact it is legal to do so under certain circumstances.

    If it involved a car, it would have been pointed out that the child ran out without looking either way, but ho-hum.

    Though it is interesting that a cyclist knocks one person over not killing them and it makes the news, London buses hit on average 2 people a day yet that doesn't make the news.

    It points out the need for dedicated segregated infrastructure.
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    cyclist apartheid?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Wolfshade View Post
    Yes they all do. Wait, no they don't, fun fact it is legal to do so under certain circumstances.

    If it involved a car, it would have been pointed out that the child ran out without looking either way, but ho-hum.

    Though it is interesting that a cyclist knocks one person over not killing them and it makes the news, London buses hit on average 2 people a day yet that doesn't make the news.

    It points out the need for dedicated segregated infrastructure.
    I don't think the child running out defence works. When cycling on the pavement, you know full well it is used by a variety of pedestrians, including unpredictable children, not to mention animals. He was clearly travelling too fast.

    I agree on your point about the bus thing, though it is probably the rarity of this indecent that made it news. That and the fact the family had a handy security camera; shocking video footage makes something much more reportable.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Wolfshade View Post
    Yes they all do. Wait, no they don't, fun fact it is legal to do so under certain circumstances.
    Is it? You might have told me this before, do tell me again?

    Are you referring to children up to age 10 being allowed to do so?

    Or is it the London classic 'Mmm red light at junction, I'll whip onto pavement and back onto road at other side' - aka section 666 of the RTA88?
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    I don't think anyone would try and defend a car driver driving in the same manner down the pavement.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Wildeybeast View Post
    I don't think the child running out defence works. When cycling on the pavement, you know full well it is used by a variety of pedestrians, including unpredictable children, not to mention animals. He was clearly travelling too fast.

    I agree on your point about the bus thing, though it is probably the rarity of this indecent that made it news. That and the fact the family had a handy security camera; shocking video footage makes something much more reportable.
    Its not a good defence at all given that the bloke shouldn't have been there in the first place. But we are working with a justice system that accepts low sun to be a perfectly acceptable mitigating factor after all no one can predict the movement of the sun...

    Well this is my issue really, we have become immune to the fact that each year thousands will lose their life by car and we hear nothing.

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    cyclist apartheid?
    No a car apartheid, since they KDM.

    Quote Originally Posted by Denzark View Post
    Is it? You might have told me this before, do tell me again?

    Are you referring to children up to age 10 being allowed to do so?

    Or is it the London classic 'Mmm red light at junction, I'll whip onto pavement and back onto road at other side' - aka section 666 of the RTA88?
    No, you obviously weren't listening. Firstly, there is no exception for those under 10, however it might be difficult to charge them as they may not be aware of their actions. Also, pavement has no definition, you must be meaning a footway or footpath. But of course local provision can be made to make them a shared usage path, which are just horrendous.

    Footpaths which don't run adjacent to roads are exempt from the legislation so that is ok, unless covered by other local act.

    And finally a quote from the Home Office: “The introduction of the fixed penalty is not aimed at responsible cyclists who sometimes feel obliged to use the pavement out of fear of traffic and who show consideration to other pavement users when doing so. Chief police officers, who are responsible for enforcement, acknowledge that many cyclists, particularly children and young people, are afraid to cycle on the road, sensitivity and careful use of police discretion is required.”

    Oh the london classic isn't just a london classic. I do it regularly, you can take the piss further by filtering up to the white give way line, dismount, step over it, remount and ride on. Though it should be noted on those locations where I would do such a legal thing there is a parallel shared cycle path so that I am not committing a crime, and only at pelican/toucan crossings, not junctions.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Denzark View Post
    They all think its OK to go on the pavement.
    I don't, am I one of them?

    I very rarely cycle on the pavement, even on the pavements that are designated shared cycle/pedestrian lanes. Very rarely use cycle lanes too tbh, seeing as most of them are pretty dangerous at ~20mph and often deposit you into the traffic at odd points. Roundabout cycle lanes can be particularly idiotic. When I do use a pavement that isn't intended for bikes, I either ride very slowly, usually with one foot loose (I often wear cleats) or dismount and walk.

    In general, I find it is safest in urban areas to just pretend I am a slower moving car and ride in the middle of the lane. Had waaay to many near misses with people squeezing overtakes past road furniture or with oncoming traffic to feel like riding on the edge is a good idea in busy, but flowing traffic. I know my general principle when driving is to overtake bikes like they are a car, as bikes are more unpredictable by their nature than a car, but most drivers on the road don't seem to follow this even when the opposite lane is completely clear of traffic, something which baffles me.

    Having only just found this thread, will read when I get chance tomorrow Looks interesting.
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    Good read. I come from a place where cycling is virtually non existent. I don't envy the bs you gotta go thru.

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