Kingdom Death Plastic Pinups

[GrauGeist]

The only way the nonsense stops is if the thread gets locked. There hasn't been any substantive discussion on any of the KD stuff, despite what the white knights and raging fems claim.

Really, BoLS should simply ban discussion of KD entirely. It's pure troll bait for the easily offended.

[SaveModifier]

The only way the nonsense stops is if the thread gets locked. There hasn't been any substantive discussion on any of the KD stuff, despite what the white knights and raging fems claim.

Really, BoLS should simply ban discussion of KD entirely. It's pure troll bait for the easily offended.

Obviously you didn't read my last post Dave.

[DarkLink]

Not from my posts I hope, because that is the opposite of what I am saying:

Nah, I was mostly joking, but cherry-picking comments does read like what I said .

[PainterOnly]

This is my first post in the forum. I'm someone who pledged on the KS and did purchase most of the pin-ups. Honestly I've never really been someone who has looked around forums or read discussion threads about KD since my only interest is in painting them. I came across this thread looking at updates regarding KD and I'm quite amazed that there's a discussion about sexism with a misogynist focus. I fully agree the pin-ups are hyper sexualized, they use a near unobtainable body type as their basis and is something I would very rarely see in a real life woman. If this is your point of contention then I agree with it. KD could use more realistic women, but let's face it, there's a reason why both men and women have a more positive view of Kate Upton's body versus Rosie O'Donnells. It isn't just the male side that judges.
As for facial expressions, I do agree that most of the KD range have fairly expressionless faces, but this isn't something that is female only, the male models such as the Great Game Hunter has a nicely sculpted but expressionless face. I think this is really having to do with the sculptors ability to capture expressiveness since the concept art isn't as neutral.

That being said, I disagree strongly with Eldargal's view that most of the models are somehow meek or helpless. With the exception of the Dragon Sacrifice and the Leather Queen (this is one model I skipped since I don't understand how it fits in a horror setting) they're all in neutral or confident poses. Then again these body language markers are subjective, something many people attacking KD seem to fail to realize or properly address. People from different places will interpret them differently.

Your opinion is as valid as mine. That being said, SavedModifier what if someone dismisses your being offended because of this viewpoint; they may simply not care that you're offended. This is in the same vain that many don't care that you may be offended by cursing pr that you may be offended by public breast feeding. You don't offer any compelling reason as to why people who have that viewpoint should take your opinion with gravity.

[Kingdom Death]

Just going to chime in with a small fact,

I would LOVE to create some male pinups! I have been researching and speaking to some various artists however I have not found someone to work with yet. The process requires letting the specialist have full, open-armed, freedom of expressing their ideas / feelings unto the concept art and thus far I have not found an approprite artist to collaborate with yet.

From a business perspective, it is no secret that the pinup range allowed us to raise funds for many other, more exploratory facets of Kingdom Death. Because of this, they are internally treated with the same creative respect as the rest of the brand. The pinups do not have official game rules as they are not cannon to the world.

I can however, understand and respect peoples personal views and opinions. And I apologize if you are offended.

[SaveModifier]

Just going to chime in with a small fact,

I would LOVE to create some male pinups! I have been researching and speaking to some various artists however I have not found someone to work with yet. The process requires letting the specialist have full, open-armed, freedom of expressing their ideas / feelings unto the concept art and thus far I have not found an approprite artist to collaborate with yet.

From a business perspective, it is no secret that the pinup range allowed us to raise funds for many other, more exploratory facets of Kingdom Death. Because of this, they are internally treated with the same creative respect as the rest of the brand. The pinups do not have official game rules as they are not cannon to the world.

I can however, understand and respect peoples personal views and opinions. And I apologize if you are offended.

Apologising but continuing to make the offending models because they make you a lot of money isn't really an apology.

[DarkLink]

Pretty sure if making money was their main goal, there'd be better ways of doing it than trying to kickstart a gaming miniatures company.

[archimbald]

Apologising but continuing to make the offending models because they make you a lot of money isn't really an apology.

dude, thats like a news reporter saying their sorry to report a murder, but then reporting the news anyway, hes saying sorry the potential consumer doesnt like it, but plenty do so hes not gonna quit just for 1 or two people to feel better about themselves

Just like this person,

[url]http://*****magazine.org/post/save-vs-sexism-kickstarting-sexism[/url]

you may not like it, others do, deal with it, especially since their a collectable, not as if the market will be swamped with them, such as Space marines, then it may be a problem

[SaveModifier]

Its not like a news reporter, because he is the one doing it, if we're using your analogy, then its the murder apologising for killing someone while stabbing them in the face, its a bad analogy, but then, so was yours to start with.

And I read that article a couple of months ago and it is a really good article by a woman expressing her opinions about these distasteful models and a lot of horrible comments from sexist morons that support these pin ups. Not that everyone buying the models is a sexist moron, just there is a lot of anonymous hateful speech in the comments section.

It happens a lot in any situation when women try to make themselves heard and represented in what was traditionally seen as a "male" pastime, the Tropes Vs Women in gaming series for example, a woman looking at how she was represented in the gaming industry was met with a tremendous amount of scorn and hate, for nothing more than pointing out that things in gaming made women uncomfortable.

I love my hobby and I wish it was open to all, but while Kingdom Death and others are still making miniatures like that, a lot of women will be put off by our shared hobby and I find that very sad.

[AnEnemy]

So which stretch goal level unlocked the soap box?