"Smash" rule and Smash Attacks

[evilamericorp]

That's why it is str 8

High strength no AP weapons in this game are stupid. Why can it smash a Space Marine Chapter Master to pulp in one hit, yet can be stopped by a Catachan Flak Muscle Shirt?

I just can't see tail attacks being that strong. Pay 10 points; get a bonus attack.
That's how you should look at it.

What is this raging hate boner you have for Tyranids? Why do you want everything in the book to be bad?

[John Bower]

I just can't see tail attacks being that strong. Pay 10 points; get a bonus attack.
That's how you should look at it.

Tell that to anyone that's been smacked by a Croc or Aligator tail and I don't think you'll like the language they hit you with for saying it... Believe me, you'd rather be hit with his/her claws than the tail.

[John Bower]

High strength no AP weapons in this game are stupid. Why can it smash a Space Marine Chapter Master to pulp in one hit, yet can be stopped by a Catachan Flak Muscle Shirt?

That's because they look like Rambo, and you know Rambo is super duper tough and can't be hurt by a rocket launcher (S8) let alone a wimpy little nid MC. LOL

[Tynskel]

Tell that to anyone that's been smacked by a Croc or Aligator tail and I don't think you'll like the language they hit you with for saying it... Believe me, you'd rather be hit with his/her claws than the tail.

Yeah. Exactly my point. They are still alive, not dead.

[Tynskel]

High strength no AP weapons in this game are stupid. Why can it smash a Space Marine Chapter Master to pulp in one hit, yet can be stopped by a Catachan Flak Muscle Shirt?



What is this raging hate boner you have for Tyranids? Why do you want everything in the book to be bad?

I don't have a hate boner. *YOU* are the one with the hate boner. I am just recognizing that bugs don't need redonkulous rules that don't make sense to be fun.

I have been playing bugs since they came out. I still have the original plastic Warriors, hugger Carnifexes, and *flamespurt* gargoyles. Don't tell me that I don't like Bugs.

[Tynskel]

High strength no AP weapons in this game are stupid. Why can it smash a Space Marine Chapter Master to pulp in one hit, yet can be stopped by a Catachan Flak Muscle Shirt?

High strength does not equate armor piercing. I could totally see Marbo being hit by the mace and go flying, but not be dead. I cannot see Marbo being picked up by a crushing claw and *ever* making it out alive.

[daboarder]

except in real life it kinda does.

Historically a mace was designed as an "anti armour" style weapon, because it relies on blunt force trauma it transmits the impact through the armour to the man inside, effectively ignoring the armour.

Or a modern take would be sabot rounds in tanks, they rely on kinetic force to do the damage not chemical explosives.

of course I see the game balance perspective.

[Tynskel]

except in real life it kinda does.

Historically a mace was designed as an "anti armour" style weapon, because it relies on blunt force trauma it transmits the impact through the armour to the man inside, effectively ignoring the armour.

Or a modern take would be sabot rounds in tanks, they rely on kinetic force to do the damage not chemical explosives.

of course I see the game balance perspective.

Shockwave physics is not necessarily what is being talked about here.

That's where AP2 comes from Monsterous Creatures. The shockwave physics.
Str 8 is just a momentum transfer.

Sabot rounds are not 'high strength'. Those are high velocity rounds, causing shockwaves.

Think of str8 more like Men in Black, and the big bug just slapping Jay around. That's str8. Jay's not wearing armor. He just happens to make his 6+ save multiple times in a row. The cook, in the restaurant, on the other hand, fails his 6+ save and is crushed by Instant Death.

[DarkLink]

Yeah, I'm sure that GW's sitting there with their pocket protectors and calculators thinking 'but how does the energy wave propagate through ceramite? What if we run a finite element analysis to find the weak points in power armor to justify Rending?"

[Tynskel]

That's what Tech Priests do. They just call it 'runes of armor initiation'.