7th ed in hand

[Caitsidhe]

Apologies - I wasn't clear. I meant those rules are horrible and should be adjusted to the rumoured -2 to BS for Snap Shots and -2 to cover saves for Ignores Cover rather than... flat out ignoring cover. I would like to lose slightly less to Helldrakes...

You probably still might lose less to them. Unless they Faq it otherwise, Helldrakes have to drop into hover to fire their weapon now.

[daboarder]

Cast invis then, because Vector strike got buffed to AP2 and you need 7s on a pen to pop a heldrake now

you probably still might lose less to them. Unless they faq it otherwise, helldrakes have to drop into hover to fire their weapon now.

WHAT?

[eldargal]

I think that would be a bad change to snap shots, changing Ignores cover like that wouldn't be so bad though.

[IronZOGZ]

Completely unchanged

Seems like all they did with this "edition" was make psychic a really big ... bad... deal. Looking forward to never getting off a power again but otherwise everything wrong with the game stays wrong.

[daboarder]

Seems like all they did with this "edition" was make psychic a really big ... bad... deal. Looking forward to never getting off a power again but otherwise everything wrong with the game stays wrong.

that is pretty much all they did, if you havent heard then odds are the rest is unchanged

oh and ATSKNF no longer give the 3' free movement

[Caitsidhe]

Cast invis then, because Vector strike got buffed to AP2 and you need 7s on a pen to pop a heldrake now



WHAT?

It appears that Fliers can't fire at Ground Targets except Snapshots. Since a Template cannot fire as a Snapshot, it means no Baleflamer unless they go to Hover unless the Faq they release (quickly I hope) says otherwise.

[IronZOGZ]

You probably still might lose less to them. Unless they Faq it otherwise, Helldrakes have to drop into hover to fire their weapon now.

Please clarify. If this is true I'll stop complaining immediately. Jesus give me something against those ****ers.

****Edit****

You answered before I posted my question.

Wait though... I thought fliers got to choose if they have Skyfire or not? Can we get clarification from the person holding the book?

[Acaelus]

+1 to what Mr. Mystery said. But we're grateful you proved you have it after that bull**** on Faeit.

So - glutton for punishment - will you confirm that Ignores Cover and Snap Shots are unchanged? It will really break my heart if GW didn't fix those...

Yeah I thought it best to prove i have the book to avoid yesterdays situation.

Ignore cover still means no cover saves allowed :P. Snap Shot BS1 unless BS0

[daboarder]

It appears that Fliers can't fire at Ground Targets except Snapshots. Since a Template cannot fire as a Snapshot, it means no Baleflamer unless they go to Hover unless the Faq they release (quickly I hope) says otherwise.

pretty sure fliers still get to CHOOSE to have skyfire, they dont get stuck with it.

EDIT: kirby clarified, skyfire is optional for fliers

[Mr Mystery]

I dunno.

Ignores Cover works about right in my mind. After all, let's consider the really sneaky, pain in the bum cover cover units. Most times cover is just an alternate 5+ or 4+ save for your troops. Nice enough, but not exactly that difficult for your opponent to deal with. But start dropping in Stealth and that other one the name of which I can never remember, and suddenly you're troops are harder to drop than a Terminator, because at least with a Terminator I can fire a lascannon at them, reducing their save somewhat. And the horrendous cover save can be applied to otherwise lightly armoured horde units. Ignores Cover weapons are the balance to that. They let your opponent deal more effectively against dug in units, on account that's what they're for.

The whole -2 to cover thing would just make big blobs all stealthed up nigh on impossible to deal with.