Bretonnia Rumor Roundup

[Kirsten]

looking forward to Bretonnia. on the one hand, I expect they will lose a lot of their cool items, vows etc. which will suck, but I am sure they will add some cool units, and hopefully more plastic knights.

[Lord-Boofhead]

Everyone is losing most of their Items though as we've gone back to mostly shared items.

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Officially official rule.

It gave certain armies a serious advantage over others. For instance - Empire. Cheap, functional wizards with access to all 8 lores. Take two or three, and then just pick whichever lore helps best against your opponent's army (like Lore of Metal against Chaos or Bretonnians). Then...Orcs and Gobbos. Single lore for Gobbos, single lore for Orcs. Sometimes it's dead useful, other times not so much.

But now your lore is part of list selection, of which I fully and whole heartedly approve.

However, prior to officially official rule, it may have been a tournament only thing.

Seems like a weird rule that only comes into effect in Tournaments, have you got a page ref?

In pick up/friendly games at club I can rewriteb my High Elf list to have a different lore each pick up game in the same night and change nothing else, but its still a total re-write.

At least WYSIWYG curbs that sort of shenanigans in the Empire, unless like me you own a wizard of every lore and remember to take all of the to Club night...

[Kirsten]

Everyone is losing most of their Items though as we've gone back to mostly shared items.

I know. it is the one thing I really dislike about the current edition, it was a really bad idea.

[Wildeybeast]

Everyone is losing most of their Items though as we've gone back to mostly shared items.

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Seems like a weird rule that only comes into effect in Tournaments, have you got a page ref?

In pick up/friendly games at club I can rewriteb my High Elf list to have a different lore each pick up game in the same night and change nothing else, but its still a total re-write.

At least WYSIWYG curbs that sort of shenanigans in the Empire, unless like me you own a wizard of every lore and remember to take all of the to Club night...

Page 490, under the spell generation section. It simply says that you should choose your lore when writing your army list, so it really depends on when you write your list. If your local gaming venue is happy with people writing lists just before the game, then it's not an issue. I imagine most people go to games (both pick up and planned) with lists already written to save time. If so, your lore should be written on that list. Most people tend to pick lores to complement their own armies, rather than counter the opponents, and with the exception of metal against armour heavy armies, there aren't really any lores which are massively advantageous against particular armies.

[Kirsten]

certainly a lot of Bretonnian stuff missing from the GW Website

[Lord-Boofhead]

I know. it is the one thing I really dislike about the current edition, it was a really bad idea.

I'm in two minds about it I like the shared items, I just witsh we had at least double the number of Army specific items in each book.

[Kirsten]

yeah I have most of the current 8th edition books and pretty much none of the unique items interest me, and the majority of the shared ones are pretty boring.

[Houghten]

I wouldn't be surprised to see either prayers or vows go. They are trying to streamline the books somewhat and create less variance and options whilst still having the odd rule for character. Look at wood elves losing spites and kindreds.

I'm sad about the spites, but I'm not convinced we lost all that much when the kindreds went.

Wardancer kindreds became Shadowdancers.
Waywatcher kindreds became Waystalkers.
Eternal kindreds wouldn't gain you anything any more because the Eternal Guard Fighting Style rule is no longer a thing.
Glamourweave kindreds likewise wouldn't do much, now that you don't need the Forest Spirit special rule to join units of Forest Spirits.
If you really want to be a member of a Wild Rider kindred you can just take a mount and a Talisman of Protection, and maybe the Helm of the Hunt.
Alter kindreds were weird. Did anybody use them?
Scout kindreds, I'll grant you we don't really have a way to get back (though you could pop a character into a unit with the Banner of the Hunter King for a similar effect).

[Wildeybeast]

Yeah, we'd don't lose much, just pointing out how eu are streamlining some of the more funky stuff out of books. As long as Brets lose that lord with HKB, I'll be happy.

The rumour about two weeks of releases makes sense, that's what wood elves got and seems they are definitely scaling back Warhammer releases in favour of 40k ones.

[Chronowraith]

Yeah, we'd don't lose much, just pointing out how eu are streamlining some of the more funky stuff out of books. As long as Brets lose that lord with HKB, I'll be happy.

The rumour about two weeks of releases makes sense, that's what wood elves got and seems they are definitely scaling back Warhammer releases in favour of 40k ones.

Sadly.

I'm really hoping that these short releases are more due to GW's perception that Wood Elves and Bretts are not major sellers. I doubt it though given what was rumored back in the late winter and early spring about GW realigning the amount of support for Fantasy to match the demand.

I still don't get this approach. If a game is ailing and in need of support you don't just cut support back and let it languish. That certainly didn't get them anywhere with the Specialist games.